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The current price you pay for the upgrade is 667$/kWh and since that is all you are paying for now to go from 70D to 85D that is quite a cost. Consider previously that a 10k upgrade was for not just a bigger battery (25kWh upgrade) but also for Supercharging (they got rid of the tire upgrade a while ago). So this seems like more reason to think that the 85 will be going away to be replaced by a larger pack. Otherwise the 70D - 85D just became a horribly expensive upgrade. This could be the reason for the huge uptake in the 70D as consumers realize it likely isn't worth the 10k. I bet orders for the 85 and 85D fell through the floor.
Anyone looking at an 85D instead of a 70D is doing so primarily for the greater horsepower and greater acceleration. I don't know if you've driven the 70D and 85D, but the 85D is much quicker. It's a real thrill to stomp the 85D's accelerator pedal. I think the market for 85Ds will be people who can't justify the P85D but want to impress their friends with the acceleration. I would agree with you, though, that the additional range between the 70D and 85D would not be worth the cost if the performance between the the cars was similar.
All needles moved for US today.
All D's -> Late June delivery.
S85 -> June delivery.
S85 still with the closest delivery date. I am thinking time is running out for S85 and June may be the end of it.
Wow, with the 85 passing, that would be the end of the original line up. Who knew that obsolescence could come in just 3 years? When do they become a collector's item?
The S85 isn't dead yet! (well, not quite).Wow, with the 85 passing, that would be the end of the original line up. Who knew that obsolescence could come in just 3 years? When do they become a collector's item?
Obsolete, yet somehow still more advanced than any other manufacturer's car on the road today.
The S85 isn't dead yet! (well, not quite).
actually happened yesterday afternoon.All needles moved for US today.
All D's -> Late June delivery.
S85 -> June delivery.
S85 still with the closest delivery date. I am thinking time is running out for S85 and June may be the end of it.
Just to follow-up on posts by Maoing, pGo and LargeHamCollider, after checking the local Tesla sites, the updated Tables are included below.
It is interesting that expected deliveries for 85 in Japan and Hong Kong changed from September and late September to August and late July respectively It looks like either 85 got prioritized at the factory, of a lot of people changing 85 reservation in favor of 70D (or combination of the two).
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Wasn't the S60 10% of cars sold world wide?
The S85 isn't dead yet! (well, not quite).
All European dual drive models moved to August. Interestingly enough, you can still order any Model S in the US and have it delivered in June. Not sure what to make of it. Maybe that's the optimization for operational efficiency rather than quarterly numbers they talked about during the last conference call?
If you look in German and Norwegian Delivery Excel Lists, the order rate is decreasing since Late 2014, it does not appear to be result of strong demand uptake
Please look at rolling 4 week average number of order confirmations, for example number of order confirmations in Norway is down 80% vs Q4 Average (yes it was D Event), still not supportive of 1000/Quarter sales going forward.
German confirmations are down ca. 50% vs Q4 average. The trend is still down. The 70D is for countering decreasing demand.
Last Tesla bear on this forum lol
Also if you argue that the reduction of spreadsheet orders indicates a decrease in demand then the US is more that making up for it as we look set to more than double the spreadsheet lines for Q2 on TMC:I am not exactly sure what spreadsheets you are referring to as there was no link in the post. It seems to me that you referring to the spreadsheets filled by members of some Forum (Tesla Motor Club?). If that is true, reduction in quantity of entries in such spreadsheets has very loose, if any, association with demand. It is just an indication of the percentage of prospective owners that know about the said spreadsheet and are willing to spend time to add their entry.