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75 S and X discontinued

Discussion in 'Model S' started by fasteddie7, Jan 9, 2019.

  1. MorrisonHiker

    MorrisonHiker S 100D 2019.36.2.1

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    In Model S range and interior update imminent?, @wdolson made a good hypothesis about them bringing back an 85 kWh version:

    That makes sense...but personally, I wish the 100 kWh battery would become the standard range battery and see them introduce something like 120 kWh for the long range battery.
     
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  2. sandpiper

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    Hmmm... that would make the 85 and 100 pretty close in capacity. And so they'd have to close the price gap. That might cause issues.
     
  3. MorrisonHiker

    MorrisonHiker S 100D 2019.36.2.1

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    Yeah, but remember they offered the 75/90 at the same time...and even 90/100 at the same time in the past (and maybe even 85/90 IIRC).

    I'm still hoping for 100 to be the "short" range! :cool:
     
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    I do think in these two cases it was a process of phasing out pack inventory on the smaller packs, not necessarily two discrete offerings.
     
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    My prediction:

    $5-7k price cut on 100 models to absorb some of the cost differential
    No second battery option. The 100 stands alone for 3-6 months.
     
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  6. MorrisonHiker

    MorrisonHiker S 100D 2019.36.2.1

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    That could be true for the 85/90 but when they brought out the 100, it was only the P100 for something like the last 5 months of 2016. Then they brought out the non-P 100 in 1/2017 and still built those for 6+ months to fill those orders, right alongside the 100s that they started delivering in early 2017.
     
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  7. ucmndd

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    IF there's an "85" ish option I think it will be a software locked 100 to maintain higher supercharging rates. As I said back on the first page, I don't think Tesla can sell "flagship" cars any more that won't receive a tangible benefit from Supercharger v3.
     
  8. SilkySmooth

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    Those for whom a Model 3 is too small and a Model S/X is too pricey will probably be opting for a Model Y when available. At least that is what I would do.
     
  9. sandpiper

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    Elon already agreed that they were moving to SR/LR. So, in the minimum case we would be looking at an 85 SR and LR 100. And to me that gap just seems too small.

    Add that to the need to be able to take higher charge rates, and I think we're looking at something more.
     
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    Proof

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    I don't see how that confirms there will continue to be two battery options for S/X next week.
     
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    While I was reading this, I got a text from a local Tesla sales advisor telling me about this and suggesting I reply if I am interested in upgrading. I texted back that I thought it was an unfortunate decision and said that I was not in the market at the moment.
    Good outreach, though, I suppose....
     
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    He confirms he is going to follow the format currently in place for the model 3. As a reminder, the model 3 offers a mid range and long range battery. As well as a performance option.

    His tweet response confirms he is going to follow this format for the S and X along with eliminating battery sizes.
     
  14. ohmman

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    Well, whatever happens, I'd like to know soon. I've been trying to plan my month long summer camper road trip, and a bigger range changes my plans significantly. I don't want to sink too much more time into my efforts until I have a better idea whether I'm going to continue to be limited to 115 miles of range or not. Please, make it not. :)
     
  15. sandpiper

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    Of course it is not proof. Until they have an actual announcement, or until the website is updated.

    But, there's not been a time since 2012 when Tesla has only offered a single battery size... ever. I'm not seeing a compelling reason to do so now.

    More to the point, Tesla needs a more moderately priced S, or they will lose a bunch of buyers for whom the 3 is just too small. And they need an expensive one to bring in the big margins. Going with one battery would kill that strategy. And yes there is still the P, but there are a lot of people (like me) who really aren't interested in accelerating fast enough to make my their ears bleed.

    They will have a Model S LR and SR. For sure.
     
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  16. Reddy Kilowatt

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    I tend to agree with most of this.

    Also wasn't there an article last year where Tesla applied for Patient that strongly implied that the S&X would be moving to the 2170 cells?

    My 75D is perfect and there are a ton of them here in Northern VA. I also dropped the 3 reservation in favor of upgrading to the S. IF they were to delete the model and or that price range Tesla would be shooting themselves in the foot. Especially with Jaguar and Audi coming on line. Tesla won't make it easy for them to grab market share.

    So I personally think that Tesla is going to go with the 2170 battery upgrade. Up the range dramatically and the improved charging capability and leave the competition in the dust again. Now what is the price change I don't know, but my gut is it won't change.

    We still don't know what the tariff's if any will impact pricing, so product it here in the USA on expanded production lines and not have to import them. Hopefully it is cheaper. Economies of scale may also tilt production to the 2170 as a cheaper option.

    I don't see a refresh coming soon. They learned to much with the 3 and need to update the drive trains on the S&X.
     
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    And, my 75D is not even 2 weeks old...
     
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  18. sandpiper

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    :) Get used to it. This happens to all of us. A Tesla is like a smartphone on wheels - for both good and bad. It't the latest and greatest today - and borderline obsolete tomorrow.
     
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    While I don't dispute that Tesla has some other problems with parts and service which will affect customer experience, that is a separate topic, completely unrelated to whether or not they discontinue the 75 and/or have a bigger price gap between S and 3.
     
  20. sandpiper

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    I think the refresh is coming soon... just not yet. Summer or fall make more sense to me. Some of the things that need to be updated will require modification right down to bones of the car.
     

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