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stopcrazypp
Well-Known Member
This kind of testing shows the major flaw in the original assumption. If applying the same logic as the original, then this result would suggest TACC does not use the cameras. Obviously we know that is not the case.
So things are not so simple: just because the autopilot feature is allowed to activate or be used with some cameras blocked does not necessarily mean they are not used at all.
Sure, but given the Eds history, I would actually err on the side of some insider info in this thread...
It seems someone knows what they are talking about and experiment after experiment comes to support that.
We are probably wise to listen, as with Eds.
stopcrazypp
Well-Known Member
What insider info are you talking about? And just because there was one instance that insider info was correct doesn't mean that by default all insider info should be trusted (for example during the refresh there were rumors that it would come with AP 2, which turned out to be wrong).
I agree not all info we hear can be trusted. I also agree there were hints of "AP2" that referred to a mid-version with Mobileye that did not come to fruition. No disagreement there. I don't blindly trust anyone and even sources that do know, may fall victim to changing plans.
But in this case I think we have, by now, more reason to trust @Bladerskb as a baseline than any other speculation IMO. Call it intuition. Electrek and experiments have been confirming things he says more and more. Whether inside sources or some other data points, they seem to be the best we've got so far.
So, IMO, below is quoted quite likely where things stand regarding EAP/FSD. Plus, it all makes sense. EAP as basically an AP1 with future camera-based blind spot detection (the one major weakness of AP1), makes sense.
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essmd
Phantom X
Great discussion....
Like many, I suspect the next phase of AP 2.0 which will utilize the 4 cameras for Enhanced AP is still on hold until more advanced testing is performed, while the full 8 camera implementation for what Tesla calls "Self-driving" is still a year or two away.
Perhaps the most significant question is if the current AP 2.0 hardware, including the 8 cameras, single radar unit, GPS, advanced processing unit and ultrasonic sensors will be all that is required for Level 5 Autonomy by the regulator's approval for city and highway... or will additional hardware be required... additional radar, LIDAR, even more advanced processing unit, etc.
Also, has Tesla provided enough disclaimer language in the order / design sections to avoid providing a refund for those that prepaid the $3000 Self-driving upgrade if never fully approved for all public roads?
Will the ability to "auto-summons" the vehicle from the garage to the end of the driveway on private property be sufficient to claim the upgrade was delivered and refund not required if public domain self-driving is not fully approved?
Time will tell. For me, the AP 1.0 functions as well as expected, and no desire to upgrade exists for now, other than perhaps to a 100D.
Like many, I suspect the next phase of AP 2.0 which will utilize the 4 cameras for Enhanced AP is still on hold until more advanced testing is performed, while the full 8 camera implementation for what Tesla calls "Self-driving" is still a year or two away.
Perhaps the most significant question is if the current AP 2.0 hardware, including the 8 cameras, single radar unit, GPS, advanced processing unit and ultrasonic sensors will be all that is required for Level 5 Autonomy by the regulator's approval for city and highway... or will additional hardware be required... additional radar, LIDAR, even more advanced processing unit, etc.
Also, has Tesla provided enough disclaimer language in the order / design sections to avoid providing a refund for those that prepaid the $3000 Self-driving upgrade if never fully approved for all public roads?
Will the ability to "auto-summons" the vehicle from the garage to the end of the driveway on private property be sufficient to claim the upgrade was delivered and refund not required if public domain self-driving is not fully approved?
Time will tell. For me, the AP 1.0 functions as well as expected, and no desire to upgrade exists for now, other than perhaps to a 100D.
essmd
Phantom X
That's my prediction as well... all the more reason to hold of the on the upfront $3k, and pay the $4K only once the approval status is known.
essmd
Phantom X
Or the $8K.
Well, I can't imagine that the Enhanced AP will not be upgraded very soon to exceed the AP-beta functionality, but you never know.... so avoiding that for now is really a statement about not planning to use AP at all...
I'd be shocked if anyone is currently ordering a Tesla without the Enhanced AP...something we may never know other than polling a forum or Tesla employees.
Oh I meant it could be $8K for FSD alone when it's fully functioning and has regulatory approval.
Kant.Ing
Member
What does this mean? What do you get if you do not get EAP or add FSD? I assume only the emergency/safety features (as stated). How would you get AP1? I thought that implied HW1?
Or am I missing something here?
Kant.Ing
Member
I meant some buyers might have asked for HW1 equipped cars (instead of HW2), and most likely they will get it from inventory. But who knows.
Ah, gotcha... Just wanted to be sure I was clear on the 'current possibilities'. Yep, there are a ton of HW1/AP1 cars around, especially as CPO (and even a few as 'Inventory').
essmd
Phantom X
I have a screenshot of the Design Center that states $3000 at time of order, or $4000 after delivery. (below) It is not a contract, but could they really jack around with those of us that want more proof before lay out thousands for current "vaporware"
Are you suggesting they will increase the cost for after-delivery upgrade only (software switches), or require upgrades to all 2.0 vehicles?
My fear is 2.0 will never be approved, but a later generation will be better equipped, such as an addition of LIDAR, a 2nd radar, higher res cameras, etc.
I really want to believe Elon's vision and statements, but either he made those claims prematurely, the technology is more challenging than expected, or I am just short on patience, with 2.0 being not at least as functional as my 1.0 beta version.
essmd
Phantom X
As I understand it, any new model will be prepared fully equipped with EA and FSDC, but unless upgraded with purchase of a software unlock, only have TACC.
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