Actually this was JUST Speed Limit signs. Mobileye patent was using a single camera to read and I believe Tesla got around it by combining data from multiple cameras to read them. Still reading and understanding all relevant signs while filtering out all the noise in a city will be a challenge.
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FSD Beta 10.69
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legendsk
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It occurred to me last night that I may have a bit different perspective than most you. When I was young, we farmed with horses. We had an older brown horse that was compliant, friendly, "intelligent"(?), and seemed genuinely happy to do what was desired by the driver. We had 2 black younger horses that were inexperienced, unreliable, dumb animals. In the morning dad would hitch up the brown horse with one of the black ones and go work. Come in for lunch and for the afternoon swap out the exhausted black horse for the other one and go back and work for the afternoon. The brown one understood verbal commands and hand signals and either explained them to the black one, perhaps just by demonstration, and if necessary the occassional bite or head butt. We could hitch them up to the wagon and go to town to get whatever was needed and when ready to go home, just holler "Let's go home! Lay back and take a nap. I think I am being used as that brown horse, but if Dojo does well, it can take over as the brown horse and I can get back to where I was 90 years ago. 
Thanks - now I'm just going to think of myself as a brown horse when I get in the car.It occurred to me last night that I may have a bit different perspective than most you. When I was young, we farmed with horses. We had an older brown horse that was compliant, friendly, "intelligent"(?), and seemed genuinely happy to do what was desired by the driver. We had 2 black younger horses that were inexperienced, unreliable, dumb animals. In the morning dad would hitch up the brown horse with one of the black ones and go work. Come in for lunch and for the afternoon swap out the exhausted black horse for the other one and go back and work for the afternoon. The brown one understood verbal commands and hand signals and either explained them to the black one, perhaps just by demonstration, and if necessary the occassional bite or head butt. We could hitch them up to the wagon and go to town to get whatever was needed and when ready to go home, just holler "Let's go home! Lay back and take a nap. I think I am being used as that brown horse, but if Dojo does well, it can take over as the brown horse and I can get back to where I was 90 years ago.
PACEMD
Active Member
You mean when you get into the horseless carriage?Thanks - now I'm just going to think of myself as a brown horse when I get in the car.
It occurred to me last night that I may have a bit different perspective than most you. When I was young, we farmed with horses. We had an older brown horse that was compliant, friendly, "intelligent"(?), and seemed genuinely happy to do what was desired by the driver. We had 2 black younger horses that were inexperienced, unreliable, dumb animals. In the morning dad would hitch up the brown horse with one of the black ones and go work. Come in for lunch and for the afternoon swap out the exhausted black horse for the other one and go back and work for the afternoon. The brown one understood verbal commands and hand signals and either explained them to the black one, perhaps just by demonstration, and if necessary the occassional bite or head butt. We could hitch them up to the wagon and go to town to get whatever was needed and when ready to go home, just holler "Let's go home! Lay back and take a nap. I think I am being used as that brown horse, but if Dojo does well, it can take over as the brown horse and I can get back to where I was 90 years ago.
I'm renaming my car to "Black Horse."
But if you ask over 90% of the drivers are well above average drivers.
That's better than Lake Wobegon.
With so many people being upgraded now to 2022.36.2, I'm actually starting to believe Tesla might (I know, this is a long shot) be suppressing this update for those of us in the FSD queue who are currently on 2022.28.2. Several days ago, when I got in my car, I had a notification that the update for 2022.36.2 was available for download. I ignored it, as I learned my lesson when I upgraded to 2022.28.2 and thus was precluded from getting into FSDb with everyone else who was still on the 2022.20.x thread. It actually disappeared right after that, and hasn't returned yet.
I've heard others say the same thing happened to them (other people waiting patiently for 10.69.3 with the 2022.28.2 current load). So maybe Tesla is sending a signal that they don't want me to upgrade now, as I'm in line to get into 10.69.3 when it's release in the next week or two. Or maybe it's just random and there's no grand plan in place... In any event, I do hope to get 10.69.3 sometime soon so I can join the FSDb group!
I've heard others say the same thing happened to them (other people waiting patiently for 10.69.3 with the 2022.28.2 current load). So maybe Tesla is sending a signal that they don't want me to upgrade now, as I'm in line to get into 10.69.3 when it's release in the next week or two. Or maybe it's just random and there's no grand plan in place... In any event, I do hope to get 10.69.3 sometime soon so I can join the FSDb group!
Similarly, I came upon a roadside street sweeper. It was moving no more than 10mph and FSD wanted to tailgate-it through the neighborhood even though there was no cars parked on either side of the road and had plenty of room to pass. The street sweep driver must've thought I lost my mind.
bhakan
MSLR MSM/Blk/19/FSD, Ord 6/10/21, Del 2/20/22
That's bad. I had to go thro few roundabouts this afternoon. In one of them it could not decide which lane to take. Took the right lane and immediately moved to the left lane where the MB was moving. I have to turn right in another 100 ft and it should have stayed on the right. Embarassing to drive this car on FSDb.
During the daytime the car drives like a drunk driver and at night totally impaired.
GlmnAlyAirCar
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bhakan
MSLR MSM/Blk/19/FSD, Ord 6/10/21, Del 2/20/22
Are you sure you want to join the FSDb group? With "Strikes" on my back as a target I may be leaving soon. You can take my place.
PACEMD
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It's random. Or in any case, has never followed any discernable pattern detected by mere humans. Folks on TMC however will speculate till the cows come home. Based on nothing and meaning nothing. Mystical and imaginary patterns conjured by mediums of the dread. There is absolutely no reason to reject updates otherwise. And safety scores don't mean what they're cracked up to be either. Just smoke and mirrors qualifiers. Just go on about your business and you will get updates when you get updates. On the other hand, for those who enjoy fretting about things they will never understand or control this is a preferred picnic pod........
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Pretty decent drives lately on .2.3. Biggest issue I’ve seen is when trying to execute a turn (left or right), if “blue” cars/vehicles are detected, the path planning of the attempted turn goes haywire. Jerky wheel, and weird path planned. It completes the turn, but in a really goofy way. Not all the time, but enough where it makes you weary of what it will do. It’s like it hyper-reacts to vehicles that are still moving around the car. I get it, but not necessary.
Otherwise, pretty decent. It’s gotten good enough that I’m disappointed it won’t pull into my driveway, or that of the destination I have set. First world problems…
Otherwise, pretty decent. It’s gotten good enough that I’m disappointed it won’t pull into my driveway, or that of the destination I have set. First world problems…
Move to left lane immediately after right turn into rightmost lane is a new behavior on 10.69.2.x. It does this even when there is an immediate right turn next, so it would “weaving” at best, often miss the turn. This is kinda getting annoy for me.
Rewatching the AI Day 2022 and reexamining the release notes, I believe the "language component" was introduced with 10.11:
- Upgraded modeling of lane geometry from dense rasters (“bag of points”) to an autoregressive decoder that directly predicts and connects “vector space” lanes point by point using a transformer neural network. This enables us to predict crossing lanes, allows computationally cheaper and less error-prone post-processing, and paves the way for predicting many other signals and their relationships jointly and end-to-end.
With 10.69.x potentially sending back longer video snapshots than before, I expect Tesla to have lots of autolabeled Lanes ground truth reconstructed from multiple trips to incrementally improve both the language component and deep lane guidance for better lane selection in the upcoming 10.69.3.
It stopped with the front of the car in the intersection. I could either back up or go. I decided to go. Maybe I should have backed up, it was a split second decision.
Durwood101
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I recently installed FSD Beta and after a week of using it, I am still experiencing something that I dont know the answer to, hoping someone here can. Overall, I live in a challenging environment for FSD. Lots of contstruction going on, lanes that dont make alot of sense at times, so its kind of hit/miss with FSD. Anyway, whenver I set a destination for home from wherever I am, as soon as we pull into my residential neighborhood, there dont seem to be any speed limit signs, so FSD continues to speed along at 25 mph right into my neighborhood and that is waaaay too fast. Perhaps we arent there yet with the upcoming things that FSD should adjust to, but are speed limit signs the only real way this is going to improve for now given the "Beta" nature. I pretty much have to disengage every time, it never slows down to 10 mph, it just cruises at same speed of 25 all the way down my street to the cul de sac.
Currently, it only changes speed when it sees a sign. In my area, driving 40 miles on the main street and then turning into the residential area is limited to 25mph. I have one end of the street where the sign is very close to the junction, by the time it finishes the turn, it mostly passes the sign and continues at 40mph which is too fast, but on the other end where it has enough time to see the sign, then it slows down correctly. This is the problem of FSDb which depends on speed signs, you can manually slow down before or immediately after the turn though.
California traffic codes have residential speed limits at 25MPH, so I think the car is just doing what's to code when speed limit signs are not available. You can wheel down to 10 as you indicated.
My feeder street into my neighborhood is weird. It's a continuation of a street with a 45MPH limit that crosses a large street (highway) with a 50MPH limit. When turning right from the large street into my neighborhood, the car immediately lowers the speed to 25MPH. But when crossing the large street from the 45MPH street, the speed doesn't drop and stays 45MPH until the street makes a 90 degree left bend, where it drops to 25MPH.
Some map speed limit update seems to only occur in certain conditions, not sure why. I've reported it and e-mailed the team about it.
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