FSD Beta v11.x

The next big milestone for FSD is 11. It is a significant upgrade and fundamental changes to several parts of the FSD stack including totally new way to train the perception NN.

From AI day and Lex Fridman interview we have a good sense of what might be included.

- Object permanence both temporal and spatial
- Moving from “bag of points” to objects in NN
- Creating a 3D vector representation of the environment all in NN
- Planner optimization using NN / Monte Carlo Tree Search (MCTS)
- Change from processed images to “photon count” / raw image
- Change from single image perception to surround video
- Merging of city, highway and parking lot stacks a.k.a. Single Stack

Lex Fridman Interview of Elon. Starting with FSD related topics.

Here is a detailed explanation of Beta 11 in "layman's language" by James Douma, interview done after Lex Podcast.

Here is the AI Day explanation by in 4 parts.

Deep Understanding Tesla FSD Part 1: HydraNet

From Theory to Reality, Analyze the Evolution of Tesla Full Self-Driving

saneryee-studio.medium.com

Here is a useful blog post asking a few questions to Tesla about AI day. The useful part comes in comparison of Tesla's methods with Waymo and others (detailed papers linked).

Twelve Questions about Tesla Autopilot Technologies Exposed at 2021 AI Day

On Aug. 19 2021, Telsa held an AI day , exposing more technologies about Autopilot , from perception, planning, data labeling, simulation…

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[sleepydoc]

I think most of us were surprised when we first got FSD - in person it definitely seemed worse than YT.

When a company gives special access to "Influencers" - by definition they are trying to (at least subtly) control the narrative. PR people are graded on how well they can control the press / influencers. The "special access" always comes with a threat of removing the access when they get out of line.

Works exactly the same way in politics too - politicians control what journalists write by giving or denying special access to them.

In neither case money is involved (thats why I don't like the term "shill") - but "special access" is by itself corrupting.

money may not be involved directly, but as you say, the "special access" itself has value so I don't think the term shill is totally inappropriate.

 

[Tcmccormick]

There is NO new update on 23.12.5 available. This version is in internal (employee) testing only and not available to anyone.

Maybe in a few weeks if all goes well it will rollout to everyone.

So if I keep pushing off the update 23.12.5 and stay on 2023.6.9 and subscribe to FSD would I have a better chance of getting full FSD beta? If I cannot get the full FSD beta I had rather not subscribe again until I know I will get that. Trying to figure out where the convergence is so I get the full meal deal.

 

[sleepydoc]

We should do a poll on this one - to see when people think this may happen. Maybe @sleepydoc can add a poll to his/her thread?

Free 1-Month Tesla FSD Trial To Come Once It's "Super Smooth": Musk

Tesla will give every North American customer a free taste of FSD, but not before it makes sure the software is safer and smoother than it is right now.

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don't think it will let me add a poll. Elon said it would be by the end of the month, though.

 

[EVNow]

don't think it will let me add a poll. Elon said it would be by the end of the month, though.

Polls have to be new threads.

 

[EVNow]

money may not be involved directly, but as you say, the "special access" itself has value so I don't think the term shill is totally inappropriate.

If someone gets special access to review a new iPhone and new galaxy are they shilling for both Apple and Samsung? Ridiculous.

 

[JulienW]

So if I keep pushing off the update 23.12.5 and stay on 2023.6.9 and subscribe to FSD would I have a better chance of getting full FSD beta? If I cannot get the full FSD beta I had rather not subscribe again until I know I will get that. Trying to figure out where the convergence is so I get the full meal deal.

I suspect 11.4.x will be updated to 23.12.x when it is finally released, but no one can know for sure and I'm pulling that speculation straight out of my a$$.

Best bet is to NOT update since your odds of getting Beta will be higher. If you update to 23.12.x and Beta is released on 23.6.x then you are SOL. If you stay on 23.6.x and Beta is released on 23.6.x or 23.12.x (or any higher) you can get it when available to you.

 

[jabloomf1230]

I want to be an influencer. Is there a signup list, like for FSDb? An influencer score? If I had any influence I would get to the bottom of this deal, but alas...........

Do you have purple hair and a dragon tattoo?

 

[jebinc]

money may not be involved directly, but as you say, the "special access" itself has value so I don't think the term shill is totally inappropriate.

100% agree! In addition to access, having the footage early also gets their channel boosted by the YT algorithm. Telsa is helping their “channel” by giving them early access, which generates lots of views, likes, subscribes and notification bells. In return, Tesla gets those many “mind blowing” videos… That also boosts YT channel ad revenue…. So, “Shill” fits IMHO.

 

[jebinc]

If someone gets special access to review a new iPhone and new galaxy are they shilling for both Apple and Samsung? Ridiculous.

They were likely offered the early/free phone because Apple/Samsung know they will give a good review. Quid pro quo. One hand washes the other, etc. They wouldn’t offer an unknown quantify the same deal, so yeah..

 

[PACEMD]

Do you have purple hair and a dragon tattoo?

How did you know? Reading my mail?

 

[PACEMD]

One hand washes the other, etc.

So they all have dirty hands? I don't wanna be an influencer then if I have to get my hands dirty. Can I wear gloves?

 

[jebinc]

So they all have dirty hands? I don't wanna be an influencer then if I have to get my hands dirty. Can I wear gloves?

Sure, I suggest Costco for the double pack of Nitrile gloves They sell KY, as well…

 

[PACEMD]

Sure, I suggest Costco for the double pack of Nitrile gloves They sell KY, as well…

All the DNA stays inside the glove, right? Cause I was out of town when that sh*t happened..........

 

[sleepydoc]

If someone gets special access to review a new iPhone and new galaxy are they shilling for both Apple and Samsung? Ridiculous.

read the entire post in context.

 

[EVNow]

read the entire post in context.

I did.

Not everything can be dumped into one shill bucket. Need to understand the nuance.

 

[jebinc]

Elon is on a roll the past couple of days

And this one too…. See video at the bottom of his tweet….

https://twitter.com/x/status/1656079504778092544

 

[jebinc]

Tesla advisor says FSD trade in value is zero; Elon looking into it….

https://twitter.com/x/status/1655985708098793472

 

[Knightshade]

Tesla advisor says FSD trade in value is zero; Elon looking into it….

https://twitter.com/x/status/1655985708098793472

Weird...since he claimed he was "looking into it" almost 2.5 years ago too.

Guess he doesn't have much pull with the company or something.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1351016753372016647

 

[Ramphex]

Why would anyone think that there’s value in trading in junk?

 

[EVNow]

Zach explained that they take FSD into consideration when doing trade in. Not sure what the salesman is talking about. I’m sure the salesman puts in various attributes and the software outputs a trade in value - it already knows the car has FSD.