FSD Beta v11.x

Mardak · Jan 5, 2023

AlanSubie4Life said:
It was more interesting to see how it does in a situation where visibility or marking are very poor

Yeah, this is part of the reason why I somewhat expect single stack to do better on highways in snowy conditions than the legacy stack very focused on lane lines that could get covered up by snow or sand/dirt/salt.

More generally, it's these types of edge cases that FSD Beta should significantly improve, but that also means it'll probably be trickier for people to test and notice the differences of FSD Beta 11 in regular highway situations.

Anybody have more concrete examples highway situations that need one/more of:

relying less on lane lines
maneuvering around obstacles and people
understanding surroundings with 360º temporal and spatial memory

kabin · Jan 5, 2023

Highway/freeway lane lines are gonna be tricky as usually with FSDb frequently interpreting concrete and pavement grooves or shadows as lane lines. Sometimes an extra lane is added to a freeway/highway via lane width compression so vehicle tires need to straddle or drive on top of those grooves. It's scary how FSDb can focus on one dominant line, a nonlane line, and try to drive off the road.

With as much difficulty FSDb NNs appear to have generalizing now, I can't imagine much success using the same NNs for all weather conditions. If so then the team will need to duplicate training and testing different NNs for different weather conditions. That could get ugly fast.

AlanSubie4Life · Jan 5, 2023

kabin said:
Sometimes an extra lane is added to a freeway/highway via lane width compression so vehicle tires need to straddle or drive on top of those grooves.

AP stack also does this, for example on I-15S, east of MCAS Miramar, in some lighting conditions (not always I think because I definitely think I have had success sometimes).

People also sometimes do it but only when they’re not paying attention.

Anyway, just have to follow the actual lane lines. Like a human. Or if no lane lines, just follow the natural lane.

Twiglett · Jan 5, 2023

Jcl007 said:
They usually work for me. Better then the Honda auto wipers.

as the owner of a Honda CRV can definitely attest to that.
One thing 69.25.1 has brought is a marked improvement on auto headlights. For the first time in over a year, the wipers started on their own as it started raining, I've always had to kick start them.

Mardak · Jan 6, 2023

Mardak said:
understanding surroundings with 360º temporal and spatial memory

This came up in the other thread about poor highway onramp merging behavior on 10.69:

Are there other common highway annoyances that should/could be fixed with single stack?

Typically highways are more likely to have 3+ lanes, but that can happen on city streets too, so have people experienced better planning for vehicles that are 2 lanes away? Pretty sure legacy stack only looks at the adjacent lane to decide to make speed-based lane changes, so if the immediate adjacent lane is your speed but 2 lanes over is clear/faster, NoA doesn't bother getting into that faster lane.

Therealm80 · Jan 7, 2023

My issues with the current version are that when making turns it sometimes will pull out in front of another car without waiting for that car to pass, will V11 fix this or is this a camera quality issue???

willow_hiller · Jan 7, 2023

The specificity of V11.3 gives me a tiny kernal of hope that this might actually be around the corner, but I'm keeping my expectations low:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1611787267340926976

powertoold · Jan 7, 2023

This is probably the first time Elon has referred to V11 as a major "improvement" rather than just enabling highway or architectural change.

Mardak · Jan 7, 2023

willow_hiller said:
The specificity of V11.3 gives me a tiny kernal of hope that this might actually be around the corner

He first mentioned 11.3 just over a couple weeks ago in a Twitter space, so it seems like at that point they knew 11.2 wasn't good enough while now they actually have this new version ready for internal alpha then employees then wider.

Maxters · Jan 7, 2023

powertoold said:
This is probably the first time Elon has referred to V11 as a major "improvement" rather than just enabling highway or architectural change.

Exactly, people need to realize his timeline for adding single stack or Actually Smart Summon is not coming soon... Notice how elon doesn't mention things, and when/if he does it's always "2+" weeks out..

There isn't even any video, so it's not there at all...

They're still fixing major "improvement" (bugs) roundabouts, rain, snow, etc.

Knightshade · Jan 7, 2023

Maxters said:
Exactly, people need to realize his timeline for adding single stack or Actually Smart Summon is not coming soon... Notice how elon doesn't mention things, and when/if he does it's always "2+" weeks out..

There isn't even any video, so it's not there at all...

...video of what? The only people who have gottten 11.x so far are Tesla employees, who get fired if they post video of it.

Maxters · Jan 7, 2023

Knightshade said:
...video of what? The only people who have gottten 11.x so far are Tesla employees, who get fired if they post video of it.

Personally I am interested in seeing video of:

Actually Smart summon in action or testing
Reverse smart summon in action or in testing
Autopilot (freeway) using newer graphics, handling things better than other automakers Lane Keep Assist can do..
Multiple camera awareness
Smooth transitions from FSD to AP.

Knightshade · Jan 7, 2023

Ok- I'm just unclear what you meant by "There isn't even any video, so it's not there at all." because as I pointed out, there are no non-employees with the software who could post such video.

Thus your claim the lack of the video means the features don't exist seems somewhat a non sequitur?

Maxters · Jan 7, 2023

Knightshade said:
Thus your claim the lack of the video means the features don't exist seems somewhat a non sequitur?

I'm in the boat of.... It's always way further away than Elon has ever indicated.. He (in my eyes) would do better if he would put out tidbits of great information but then overdeliver. To be able to trust the information, and times that come out are accurate, or have a transparent reason why.

edit: as for the features existing.. donno.. it will get there.. eventually.

powertoold · Jan 7, 2023

What's also intriguing is that Elon replied to a tweet about the stonk falling 69%, with the update on 11.3.

This means we're going to the moon folks.

Gbills · Jan 7, 2023

Knightshade said:
Ok- I'm just unclear what you meant by "There isn't even any video, so it's not there at all." because as I pointed out, there are no non-employees with the software who could post such video.

Thus your claim the lack of the video means the features don't exist seems somewhat a non sequitur?

His sequuntur while flawed is not to far off the point.

tivoboy · Jan 7, 2023

Highway onramping for me has ALWAYS been a problem for over a year now… the car just can’t go from a one lane on ramp to accelerating to get into the right lane of 280 with any confidence or capability…it’s very very odd as this is the same type of on-ramp just up the road from legacy Tesla HQ

powertoold · Jan 7, 2023

tivoboy said:
Highway onramping for me has ALWAYS been a problem for over a year now… the car just can’t go from a one lane on ramp to accelerating to get into the right lane of 280 with any confidence or capability…it’s very very odd as this is the same type of on-ramp just up the road from legacy Tesla HQ

Even on 25.1? I've used 25.1 for every highway on ramp and haven't done a single intervention yet.

EVNow · Jan 7, 2023

tivoboy said:
Highway onramping for me has ALWAYS been a problem for over a year now… the car just can’t go from a one lane on ramp to accelerating to get into the right lane of 280 with any confidence or capability…it’s very very odd as this is the same type of on-ramp just up the road from legacy Tesla HQ

powertoold said:
Even on 25.1? I've used 25.1 for every highway on ramp and haven't done a single intervention yet.

Depends on Map speed. For eg today on ramp speed was 25 - I knew there was a problem and bumped the speed up. Rest NOA handled fine (or was that FSD - have to check visuals to confirm).

powertoold · Jan 7, 2023

EVNow said:
Depends on Map speed. For eg today on ramp speed was 25 - I knew there was a problem and bumped the speed up. Rest NOA handled fine (or was that FSD - have to check visuals to confirm).

I literally just took an onramp in moderate rain right now, and 25.1 confidently picked a spot between two cars, speeding up to 70mph and when 25.1 merged, the car behind was only about 15 feet away.

In the past, it would speed up and then hesitate and start braking to try to get behind the behind car.

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