FSD Beta v11.x

jebinc · Mar 22, 2023

boonedocks said:
It really is mind boggling at some of the people “YouTuberTeslaShills” they get the Betas first as “testers”

“The Great Charlatan,” hard at work.

TK211X · Mar 22, 2023

I’m going to guess we will see more FSDb release activity on the 25th just by trend data. What do you guys think?

boonedocks · Mar 22, 2023

TK211X said:
I’m going to guess we will see more FSDb release activity on the 25th just by trend data. What do you guys think?

Hahahahaaaaaaa. “Wide Release”

fasteddie7 · Mar 22, 2023

If someone takes delivery of a new car now, and has fsd purchased, what is the actual process now? Is safety score still a thing, or is it just a waiting game once enabled to get the update like it was in the old days staring as Tesla Fi obsessing over time zones and models to speculate when you would get an update?

jebinc · Mar 22, 2023

boonedocks said:
Hahahahaaaaaaa. “Wide Release”

"Wide" my arse. TGC, for short.

nvx1977 · Mar 22, 2023

boonedocks said:
It really is mind boggling at some of the people “YouTuberTeslaShills” they get the Betas first as “testers”

I think it's the other way around. For as long as I can remember, there has been an exclusive "early access" group that Tesla chose. They originally signed NDAs and Tesla pushed test firmware to this group for feedback (way before FSD).

Naturally, if you have access to such exclusive stuff, it would help you start a successful YT channel. Elon kinda confirmed this when (much later) he eliminated the NDAs, saying that it didn't seem like anyone was following them anyway, referring to all the YT content showing pre-release firmware features, which really took off when FSDb became a thing.

pimfram · Mar 22, 2023

It'll go wide to everyone before I leave for a multi-state road trip Friday, right? Right?

maddogs · Mar 22, 2023

pimfram said:
It'll go wide to everyone before I leave for a multi-state road trip Friday, right? Right?

In my experience it means it will come just after

Scott Chapman · Mar 22, 2023

fasteddie7 said:
If someone takes delivery of a new car now, and has fsd purchased, what is the actual process now? Is safety score still a thing, or is it just a waiting game once enabled to get the update like it was in the old days staring as Tesla Fi obsessing over time zones and models to speculate when you would get an update?

I think it mostly depends on what is already on the car. If it is running a branch ahead of current FSD then it will be a while...

willow_hiller · Mar 22, 2023

Someone's put together a useful graphic on Reddit. All this speculation about a halted rollout is unnecessary. We're actually going slightly faster than both 10.69.25.1 and 10.69.25.2 did:

fasteddie7 · Mar 22, 2023

Scott Chapman said:
I think it mostly depends on what is already on the car. If it is running a branch ahead of current FSD then it will be a while...

Wonder why they don’t make the fsd beta versions numerically far “ahead” of the stable branch so that at any given time a new subscriber can opt in and get the download even if there are several stable releases in the in between time.

johnny_cakes · Mar 22, 2023

willow_hiller said:
Someone's put together a useful graphic on Reddit. All this speculation about a halted rollout is unnecessary. We're actually going slightly faster than both 10.69.25.1 and 10.69.25.2 did:

What is the x axis?

gsmith123 · Mar 22, 2023

johnny_cakes said:
What is the x axis?

Days since release

kylinblue · Mar 22, 2023

johnny_cakes said:
What is the x axis?

number of times users check teslafi for release data a day
Number of threads a single user will complain how slow the rollout is
Number of weeks plus two weeks after Elon promises two weeks
/s

Enright · Mar 22, 2023

I have a bit of a conundrum coming up. I took delivery of a M3P on Feb 25th and opted into an FSD subscription specifically to test out FSD Beta. On a USS-Less 3 or Y, FSD without the beta is practically meaningless - no autopark, no summon, etc.. It's definitely not worth $200/month IMHO. Since I knew the safety score was no longer a thing, I thought the Beta would just instantly be activated. Caveat emptor I suppose, although in my defense the recall wasn't announced yet.

Here's the conundrum - do I let the subscription renew on the 25th and remain opted in to FSD beta or cancel it? If I cancel the subscription, does that opt me out of beta? If so, I suppose I might get a non-FSD firmware update that takes me from factory 2022.44.200 to 2023.X.X and then go to the back of the line for 11.3. If I keep it active, I'll probably remain on 2022.44.200 and might get 11.3 sooner since it's on a 2022 branch, but I might pay another $200 for nothing if it takes another month to rollout to new firmware cars.

Kinda crazy that its this complicated to determine if/when you will obtain functionality you are paying $200/month for. Caveat emptor again - I knew things would be wonky and its a beta - but still sucks to be stuck in this weird half-baked state.

Scott Chapman · Mar 22, 2023

fasteddie7 said:
Wonder why they don’t make the fsd beta versions numerically far “ahead” of the stable branch so that at any given time a new subscriber can opt in and get the download even if there are several stable releases in the in between time.

It has to do with the branch all the rest of the car's features are on. If you look at something like TeslaFi you can see that there were a number of releases already this year that included a bunch of new features and bug fixes for cars that don't include FSD, and that no FSD release has included the base software from this year yet. I'm a bit surprised it is still done that way; was expecting things to sync up a bit.

I thought I heard someone mention that they thought cars were always running the FSD stack to generate data about what it predicted versus what drivers actually did. I assume that isn't true for all cars (since it seems like not all cars have the FSD stack?).

Enright · Mar 22, 2023

fasteddie7 said:
If someone takes delivery of a new car now, and has fsd purchased, what is the actual process now? Is safety score still a thing, or is it just a waiting game once enabled to get the update like it was in the old days staring as Tesla Fi obsessing over time zones and models to speculate when you would get an update?

Safety score is no longer a thing, but it's still anyone's guess as to when your factory firmware will be updated to an FSD beta compatible version. Additionally, you also have the recall to contend with, so new cars can no longer get any version of FSD beta other than 11.3.X - since that is the release that addresses the recall issues. So far, 11.3.2 has yet to rollout to any 2023 models with factory firmware - that I know of - but hopefully that will happen over the next week or two as the larger waves start rolling out.

Irpilot · Mar 22, 2023

Enright said:
I have a bit of a conundrum coming up. I took delivery of a M3P on Feb 25th and opted into an FSD subscription specifically to test out FSD Beta. On a USS-Less 3 or Y, FSD without the beta is practically meaningless - no autopark, no summon, etc.. It's definitely not worth $200/month IMHO. Since I knew the safety score was no longer a thing, I thought the Beta would just instantly be activated. Caveat emptor I suppose, although in my defense the recall wasn't announced yet.

Here's the conundrum - do I let the subscription renew on the 25th and remain opted in to FSD beta or cancel it? If I cancel the subscription, does that opt me out of beta? If so, I suppose I might get a non-FSD firmware update that takes me from factory 2022.44.200 to 2023.X.X and then go to the back of the line for 11.3. If I keep it active, I'll probably remain on 2022.44.200 and might get 11.3 sooner since it's on a 2022 branch, but I might pay another $200 for nothing if it takes another month to rollout to new firmware cars.

Kinda crazy that its this complicated to determine if/when you will obtain functionality you are paying $200/month for. Caveat emptor again - I knew things would be wonky and its a beta - but still sucks to be stuck in this weird half-baked state.

I was thinking of doing the same thing but I also didn't want to blow $200 in the hopes of getting the beta software with vision enabled on my non USS car and then possibly lose it after opting out. So does your 3 have vision enabled right now?

Yelobird · Mar 22, 2023

Enright said:
Kinda crazy that it’s this complicated to determine if/when you will obtain functionality you are paying $200/month for. Caveat emptor again - I knew things would be wonky and it’s a beta - but still sucks to be stuck in this weird half-baked state.

Kinda crazy would be depending on a forum of strangers to decide how you spend your money or how to make a decision for you. Lol. Do don’t do that’s a You question.

Ramphex · Mar 22, 2023

He said the weekend… but did he specify which weekend? Someone repost the tweet

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