FSD Beta v11.x

willow_hiller · Jul 20, 2023

spacecoin said:
It’s not a new policy. It’s a campaign. They will offer you a low ball trade in price in for your old car and allow transfer of FSD during Q3. Probably not a global one either.

That’s clearly a campaign. Why limit it to Q3? Do the right thing and just allow transfer until it’s eyes-off? Oh wait, that’s never happening on existing cars.

You sound upset by this news. It's definitely a marketing gimmick, but it's a good deal for most people.

Just checked their trade-in offer for my 2019 SR+: $23,000.

They have 2023 Model 3 RWD in inventory for $39,000. After trade-in, state excise tax credit, and Federal tax credit, that's a new car with FSD for $7,500. Might be worth it for the ~60 miles of extra range, power lift-gate, matrix headlights, etc.

JulienW · Jul 20, 2023

What I'd like to know is WTH is happening (or not) with 23.7.20/11.4.4? It has been about 4 months since we last had a near stable version (11.3.6), 11.4.4 is languishing and 23.7.x falling into near legacy status with 23.26.x now rolling out. We are so far behind the latest version of 11.4.4 is about to fall off the very bottom of TeslaFi's tracker page (embarrassing). Come on Tesla and throw us some kind of a bone or at least tease with something.

spacecoin · Jul 20, 2023

willow_hiller said:
You sound upset by this news.

LOL, what? I am just telling it like it is.

fasteddie7 · Jul 20, 2023

JulienW said:
What I'd like to know is WTH is happening (or not) with 23.7.20/11.4.4? It has been about 4 months since we last had a near stable version (11.3.6), 11.4.4 is languishing and 23.7.x falling into near legacy status with 23.26.x now rolling out. We are so far behind the latest version of 11.4.4 is about to fall off the very bottom of TeslaFi's tracker page (embarrassing). Come on Tesla and throw us some kind of a bone or at least tease with something.

wonder if they are trying to merge the tracks to make the new one time transfer for the quarter more appealing, as if a customer with FSDb now upgrades to a HW4 they lose access to the beta. Or maybe it is an issue with 2023.7.25 11.4.5 or they are actually holding off to include a new feature, like the new wipers. Based of tweets I assume actually smart summon and autopark are a ways off and into holiday update territory. Teslas actions tend to skew toward the mysterious these days.

mtndrew1 · Jul 20, 2023

fasteddie7 said:
wonder if they are trying to merge the tracks to make the new one time transfer for the quarter more appealing, as if a customer with FSDb now upgrades to a HW4 they lose access to the beta. Or maybe it is an issue with 2023.7.25 11.4.5 or they are actually holding off to include a new feature, like the new wipers. Based of tweets I assume actually smart summon and autopark are a ways off and into holiday update territory. Teslas actions tend to skew toward the mysterious these days.

The Actually Smart Summon “deadline for the team” was in September…of 2022. I wouldn’t hold my breath.

JHCCAZ · Jul 20, 2023

mtndrew1 said:
The Actually Smart Summon “deadline for the team” was in September…of 2022. I wouldn’t hold my breath.

I've been holding my breath since then, and it's getting very uncomfortable.

Dennisis · Jul 20, 2023

JHCCAZ said:
I've been holding my breath since then, and it's getting very uncomfortable.

Just a party trick anyway, don't care if I ever get it.

aronth5 · Jul 20, 2023

kriskros91 said:
Who is going to use their 1 time free FSD transfer to get out of a HW3 vehicle to a HW4 vehicle?!

I am but had already planned to replace my Model Y (vin 15xxx) since there are a lot of enhancements to the car besides HW4 and I'm now my 4th year ownership. Just not sure if it will be another MY or a Model S.

JHCCAZ · Jul 20, 2023

aronth5 said:
I am but had already planned to replace my Model Y (vin 15xxx) since there are a lot of enhancements to the car besides HW4 and I'm now my 4th year ownership. Just not sure if it will be another MY or a Model S.

If I'm not mistaken, the tax credit applies to MY but not MS. Relatively speaking, this makes MS quite expensive, especially since the used MY price is depressed by said tax credit. So you should really really want an S, to justify going that direction.

As always, it would be nice to have more clarity about the cars coming after September 30th. I think the "HW4" on 3Q 2023 cars may not be the same as HW4 on 4Q or 1Q 2924 builds. Elon is obliquely saying don't worry about that, in terms of eventual FSD capability - but I'd still worry. He's certainly not encouraging any concept of a future upgrade from early HW4 to later HW4, if that turns out to be a thing.

aataskin · Jul 21, 2023

Maarten said:
Good morning Tesla owners in USA, Canada & rest of the world, outside of Europe.
As you may know, there is only an enormously crippled version of FSD here, due to EU regulations.
Tesla owners want the same version as the USA and Canada and in order to get this done, a petition for the European Parliament should get 15,000 signatures.
So, let’s go global and please help the Tesla owners with FSD in Europe and sign this petition. We are almost there.
Thank you all in advance!

This is one of the few cases where the EU regulations make sense. FSD is a work in progress, let them sort it out in the US first and then move on to adapting it to Europe and other places. One step at a time.

willow_hiller · Jul 21, 2023

Looks like v11.4.5 was not sufficient to release to customers. On to v11.4.6:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1682359372251557888

kriskros91 · Jul 21, 2023

Can we please get off of 2023.7!!! Why do they keep holding us back?!!

rlsd · Jul 21, 2023

willow_hiller said:
Looks like v11.4.5 was not sufficient to release to customers. On to v11.4.6:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1682359372251557888

It's a sign that Tesla is taking responsibility in testing instead of asking Chuck Cooks and the gang to do. They are hiring test drivers now. I think they should hire a lot more. Keep doing this until you get v11.4.99 Tesla!

LowlyOilBurner · Jul 21, 2023

kriskros91 said:
Can we please get off of 2023.7!!! Why do they keep holding us back?!!

Unfortunately, we all signed up for this. Have to wait until the holiday update.

kriskros91 · Jul 21, 2023

LowlyOilBurner said:
Unfortunately, we all signed up for this. Have to wait until the holiday update.

That is not true really - in fact I would take like a once in 1-2 month FSD update (a more substantial update) if I could stay along with the normal, "common" features. That is the case with people that got into beta a few months ago when they made the move to 2023.12.x and then 2023.20.x

The "improvements" (

, "magic") are only iterative. Whereas the common features are big (left steering wheel button to use features).

rlsd · Jul 21, 2023

kriskros91 said:
That is not true really - in fact I would take like a once in 1-2 month FSD update (a more substantial update) if I could stay along with the normal, "common" features. That is the case with people that got into beta a few months ago when they made the move to 2023.12.x and then 2023.20.x

The "improvements" (, "magic") are only iterative. Whereas the common features are big (left steering wheel button to use features).

2023.12.x and 2023.20.x are still gimmick changes. The only worthy thing in those builds is bigger font size, but I don't think it's big enough (only 2 options: large and normal). I want a complete revamp of the UI to give the user better experience and comfort.

laservet · Jul 21, 2023

PR0FESSOR said:
Drove FSD 11.4.4 for two hours today in a combination of rural and small city driving. Today was a batshit crazy day for 11.4.4 on my Tesla:

Sped towards stopped vehicles 5x. I had to mash on the brakes to stop it.

Slowed down almost to a standstill and then decided to cut over and change lanes 2x.

Traffic slowed in both lanes in my direction. There was a two car length opening and it actually darted into the other lane so quickly that it shocked me. we were traveling about 5mph or so.

Two lane 60mph rural road. Three cars in front of me are slowing to make a left turn. As the third car turns, I expect FSD to go straight, but the damn thing actually started to follow the third car and turn left, WITH TRAFFIC SPEEDING TOWARDS ME in the oncoming lane. I yanked the wheel and put FSD in timeout for the rest of the trip home.

This was not a good day for 11.4.4 on my HW4 vehicle.

The thing that bothers me most, is that I have done this exact drive several times on 11.4.4 and experienced none of these issues.

My trust in 11.4.4 is inversely proportional to the time I spend using it.

Joe

I was under the impression FSD wasn't available yet for HW4 because there wasn't enough driving data on HW4.

fasteddie7 · Jul 21, 2023

laservet said:
I was under the impression FSD wasn't available yet for HW4 because there wasn't enough driving data on HW4.

It’s been available since around May for HW4 vehicles with a build date before that

jebinc · Jul 21, 2023

kriskros91 said:
That is not true really - in fact I would take like a once in 1-2 month FSD update (a more substantial update) if I could stay along with the normal, "common" features. That is the case with people that got into beta a few months ago when they made the move to 2023.12.x and then 2023.20.x

The "improvements" (, "magic") are only iterative. Whereas the common features are big (left steering wheel button to use features).

I just put in another request (to [email protected]) to remove FSDj from my PoS Plaid. Will let you know who many emails and weeks it take for them to do it. Enjoy.

MarcG · Jul 21, 2023

jebinc said:
I just put in another request (to [email protected]) to remove FSDj from my PoS Plaid. Will let you know who many emails and weeks it take for them to do it. Enjoy.

Good luck. I’m on email #3 in as many weeks. Not a peep from Tesla.

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