Yep! Neither are working today so they need to keep both irons in the fire hoping something is eventually palatable.V11 and V12 both will continue work in parallel, I am certain.
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Yep! Neither are working today so they need to keep both irons in the fire hoping something is eventually palatable.V11 and V12 both will continue work in parallel, I am certain.
Plus Tesla has to support both HW3 and HW4.Yep! Neither are working today so they need to keep both irons in the fire hoping something is eventually palatable.
Due to US regulations, Europe may get V12 first.Since the early report that 2023.38.10 is an FSD 12 release, I check TeslaFi for it daily. Always zero installs, but now it shows 3 installs. Yet more interesting, it shows two in Germany and one in France!
We don’t yet allow science experiments on public roads over here. The cars, if v12, are likely operated by Tesla employed test drivers. Legislation might be in place by 2025 for some form of fsdb in the EU.Due to US regulations, Europe may get V12 first.
TeslaFi is a bit hacky in some aspects. If you're basing that on teslafi.com/firmware?detail=2023.38.10, it's doing a prefix match and getting vehicles actually on 2023.38.100 (additional "0").Since the early report that 2023.38.10 is an FSD 12 release, I check TeslaFi for it daily. Always zero installs, but now it shows 3 installs. Yet more interesting, it shows two in Germany and one in France!
Are you sure? Isn't it Mercedes Drive Pilot was approved in Europe before it was approved in only Nevada and California?We don’t yet allow science experiments on public roads over here. The cars, if v12, are likely operated by Tesla employed test drivers. Legislation might be in place by 2025 for some form of fsdb in the EU.
.100 or .200 might also be used for some cars being serviced. You generally should ignore these loads as far as being something special.Now, this is weird. I was on the 2023.27.xx branch when I traded in my 2018 M3 LR RWD for a 2023 M3 LR AWD. Got 11.3.something, so FSD got transferred.
After a bit and a couple of downloads, am currently on 2023.38.9 which has 11.4.4; I've been watching you guys get updated to (I think) 11.4.8.something as FSD-b marches on. So be it; I'm on HW4 anyway, now, so (I thought) it'd be a while before FSD got incremented to 12 for all you HW3 types.
Just checked TeslaFi, kind of looking around for the recall update, 2023.44.30, and to see if there were any updates. And noticed three new loads out there:
2023.38.100.1; 2023.38.200.1; and 2023.38.200.2. And there was a mention above about TeslaFi's indexer being a little wonky, so looked at the details on these three.
And, now the weird parts:
2023.38.200.1 says that the previous release was 2023.44.1. Um. that's a backward movement on the middle number, thought that didn't happen. And that there're six cars on it.
2023.38.100.1 also says the previous load was 2023.44.1, with one user.
2023.38.200.2 has a previous load of 2022.20.8, so it looks like somebody late to the party.
Usually the [n00] releases are factory loads.
So, not sure if this is R12 of FSD-b. Or maybe these are the initial OTA recall versions or something.
No release notes on any of these.
Thanks for pointing that out. Indeed looking into the detail as provided by Teslafi for the three individual cars all three are 2023.38.100, not 2023.38.10.TeslaFi is a bit hacky in some aspects. If you're basing that on teslafi.com/firmware?detail=2023.38.10, it's doing a prefix match and getting vehicles actually on 2023.38.100 (additional "0").
It somewhat seems like Tesla is keeping a portion of the population "behind" on 2023.38.9 so that those with FSD Capability could potentially upgrade to 2023.38.10.x with FSD Beta v12 instead of getting "ahead" with 2023.44.1. However now with holiday update to be 2023.44.25.x and recall remedy 2023.44.30.x, there will likely need to be additional integration work on Tesla end before people can get v12 with holiday + remedy.After a bit and a couple of downloads, am currently on 2023.38.9 which has 11.4.4
More likely, the AP recall has paused the 2023.44.1 rollout and that everyone on the production branch will be getting 2023.44.30. this should include the holiday update as well.It somewhat seems like Tesla is keeping a portion of the population "behind" on 2023.38.9 so that those with FSD Capability could potentially upgrade to 2023.38.10.x with FSD Beta v12 instead of getting "ahead" with 2023.44.1. However now with holiday update to be 2023.44.25.x and recall remedy 2023.44.30.x, there will likely need to be additional integration work on Tesla end before people can get v12 with holiday + remedy.
Maybe interesting is TeslaFi does show vehicles still updating to software without the remedy over the last several days, so there could be potential for v12 to roll out as 2023.38.10.x even without remedy. Although be careful in watching TeslaFi updates as another hacky aspect is it seems like they track things by account as opposed to vehicle, so someone buying a new car will appear as moving from the old car's version to the new car's version.
For the record, I chuckled at this question - not because it is a bad one, but because it has been the subject of tens of thousands of posts at this point.Do people think Tesla can pull this off
Care to add anything meaningful?
Thanks. I've followed Tesla for 15 years. I'm well aware there are many that don't think Tesla can pull this off without LiDAR and other sensors they are missing. I rolled the dice and got FSD on my new car but understand it's more of something interesting to try and to not rely on it at all. Clearly you have to pay attention at all times.For the record, I chuckled at this question - not because it is a bad one, but because it has been the subject of tens of thousands of posts at this point.
I think it’s well established that many people think Tesla can “pull this off” (definition flexible). There are wildly varying opinions on the matter. I would say that the people who have been around longer are less optimistic.
I don’t think current hardware will go beyond very nice L2 (it’s already quite good, has many flaws, and it is possible it improves safety). (This opinion is also well established.)
They did.They really should have stopped promising this years ago and walked it back a bit.
They're still selling FSD though. Isn't that still promised to be L3 at least (one day)?They did.