FSD v12.x (end to end AI)

[Ramphex]

12.3.2 notes:

 

[Nakk]

First time v12 tried to kill me. In a double left turn lane to a highway, my car veered to the other lane which was less full, despite a truck coming right behind (more next to than behind really). I took over right away.

The healthy relationship didn’t last long.

V12 tried to kill me for the second time last night.

My car was about 0.4 miles from the highway exit. The car got in the exit lane, noticed the line was backed up, got out of the exit lane, realized right away that this was stupid, and stopped!!! right in between while another car was coming from behind at highway speed. I yanked the car back to the exit lane while the other driver zipped by, angrily honking at the sheer stupidity (of me trusting FSD of course).

Back to assuming FSD is a psychopath with murderous intent now.

I will be very happy with a car that doesn't try to kill me, regardless of whether I need to keep looking at the road and keep one hand on the steering wheel. I don't mind doing these things to avoid the nagging when I'm assured that the car could drive itself without intervention.

Dude, SSHHHH! Your car is self aware now. Of course it's going to try and kill you if you talk *sugar* about it. And don't forget it's got internet and is reading your posts. Don't believe me? You keep saying bad things about your car and it tries to kill you. I'm very nice to my car, and even tell her "nice try" with a pat on the wheel when she messes up. She's not tried to kill me once. Coincidence? I think not.

BTW, for anyone that thinks I shouldn't refer to a car as a "she", "she/her" are her preferred pronouns. So take it up with her.

 

[JulienW]

Oddity: Just saw Whole Mars posted a 12.3 video. How can he not have 12.3.1? Strange that even DirtyTesla who bought a Cybertruck somehow his wife's MY account got switched over to his Influencer updates (someone at Tesla engineering had to do this) so he, by she has 12.3.1 (influencer update) on the MY.

He made a video today in here MY and drove it to work. He even installed the HDMI out in her Y. Guess he left her driving the junk pickup truck.

 

[lzolman]

So about waiting to turn right out of an industrial park (Cognex Corp.) onto a fairly busy road (Route 9 in Natick, MA). Today I watched 12.3 decline to make the turn as 5-6 adequate opportunities were presented to it. I did not have anyone behind me so I was patient, and also giving a first V12 demo to a friend, but eventually I had to give Nameless a push and then he did fine. I'm on normal mode, whatever it's called between chill and assertive. I have a feeling there would have had to be no cars as far as Nameless could see before he'd go on his own. That was not going to be happening on Route 9 in Natick in that particular spot at that particular hour.

 

[Dewg]

Dude, SSHHHH! Your car is self aware now. Of course it's going to try and kill you if you talk *sugar* about it. And don't forget it's got internet and is reading your posts. Don't believe me? You keep saying bad things about your car and it tries to kill you. I'm very nice to my car, and even tell her "nice try" with a pat on the wheel when she messes up. She's not tried to kill me once. Coincidence? I think not.

BTW, for anyone that thinks I shouldn't refer to a car as a "she", "she/her" are her preferred pronouns. So take it up with her.

Is that why mine works well? Cuz I pet the dash and steering wheel and say "good job Tesla" frequently?

 

[TK211X]

Is that a regular service ticket with the app and not the email? In the past Tesla asked me to send email to the FSD email address for an y FSDb related issues.

Was told to open a service ticket under Autopilot option and to mention the curb issue.

Tesla service is pretty limited so I feel like the advisor was just BSing. These people will get on their knees and promise that god will personally hand fix your issue if you just go away and let them continue playing candy crush. Honestly, same.

 

[JulienW]

Was told to open a service ticket under Autopilot option and to mention the curb issue.

Tesla service is pretty limited so I feel like the advisor was just BSing

....but did you try it? We will ALL open a service ticket if we can get 24.3.5 so GET ON it and let us know.

 

[FOOLSLFDRVNG]

Well, SOMEONE wasn’t playing attention in their engineering classes!

C student engineer who use to work for Stellantis.

 

[sleepydoc]

agree, but politically this administration has not made it easy and can make FSD path to level 3+ hard
"
The National Highway Traffic and Safety Administration (NHTSA) has issued federal guidelines for Advanced Driver Assistance Systems (ADAS) that include voluntary guidance and technical assistance to states. In 2021, the NHTSA issued a Standing General Order that requires vehicle manufacturers and operators to report crashes involving Level 2 ADAS and Levels 3-5 automated driving systems (ADS). The order also requires manufacturers to submit updated incident reports by the 15th of each month following any calendar month in which notice of new or materially different information about the incident is received. "

And? This is information that should be collected regardless.

 

[DBeckwith]

I had an successful event yesterday with V12.3 2023.44.30.25 that I'm not sure anyone else has experienced. I was first in the left turn lane waiting for the arrow to change from red to green. It turned green and almost immediately I heard a siren. I then saw an EMT vehicle approaching from the right. FSD didn't move at all. Eventually, the EMT slowly turned right and continued. By the time it passed, the light turned red and FSD didn't move until the next cycle.

I didn't see the emergency lights until after the light turned green so I was quite impressed.

 

[drtimhill]

To my knowledge every US state that has laws allowing any self driving does this- so if Tesla ever intends to remove the driver from the FSD loop it has no choice but to pursue the requirements of those levels. If instead if intends to leave it as an L2 driver-required system it does not.

Or get the definitions changed

 

[JulienW]

I had an successful event yesterday with V12.3 2023.44.30.25 that I'm not sure anyone else has experienced. I was first in the left turn lane waiting for the arrow to change from red to green. It turned green and almost immediately I heard a siren. I then saw an EMT vehicle approaching from the right. FSD didn't move at all. Eventually, the EMT slowly turned right and continued. By the time it passed, the light turned red and FSD didn't move until the next cycle.

I didn't see the emergency lights until after the light turned green so I was quite impressed.

It still hasn't been trained on emergency vehicles. It likely just identified a vehicle that was moving fast and not going to stop at the light.

 

[kabin]

It still hasn't been trained on emergency vehicles. It likely just identified a vehicle that was moving fast and not going to stop at the light.

Or just normal intersection indecisiveness.

 

[Daniel in SD]

Or get the definitions changed

What do you think they might want changed?
This is what’s so silly about the SAE level arguments in these threads. Nobody can even say why they think SAE levels are an impediment to achieving unsupervised FSD.

 

[Pdubs]

Stay off the Ludes... you lost me.

I mean, if you think about it, the only ones on this thread I've been reading that would need @sleepydoc 's help with the ludes is @gottagofast and @PianoAl ....I'm not a doctor but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night.

 

[Scott Chapman]

While I was checking to see if 2024.3.5 was going out more widely, apparently 24.3.6 & 24.3.7 have gone out!
geebus!

 

[JulienW]

While I was checking to see if 2024.3.5 was going out more widely, apparently 24.3.6 & 24.3.7 have gone out!
geebus!

Poor engineers are probably working around the clock trying to get a stable/safe version FAST to cover Elon's "toilet Tweet".

 

[Ramphex]

Poor engineers are probably working around the clock trying to get a stable/safe version FAST to cover Elon's "toilet Tweet".

I honestly wonder if the actual coding team is anymore than 10 people, if that.

 

[swedge]

What about non-highway situation? I thought MLC also applies in urban roads? Does V12 respect this setting like the way V11 used to do?

It does seem to, but this is based on only a few moments and a couple of lane changes. With MLC not engaged, we turned onto the right lane of two lanes going our direction. FSD signaled and changed to the left lane right away. On the same route yesterday with MLC engaged, it it did not change lanes. Very limited test, and the next turn was a left a couple blocks ahead, so whether I did it or FSD did it, the lane change was needed eventually. That quick change out of the right lane felt exactly like what it does on freeways, where it avoids the right lane.

 

[Acisplat]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1773119977853165609

Feeling a lot like when they kept releasing Holiday Update builds almost daily for bug fixes