Apparently few were out right purchasing it. And at $8k the subscription still seems to be a better deal given the flexibility and break even after almost 7 years.
No worries though. FSD will pay for itself and then some.
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FSD v12.x (end to end AI)
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- #fixphantombraking autopilot chill is not chill elon is an ass fix fsd extreme late deceleration fsd does not commit to go fsd does not maintain proper speed fsd hard and late braking fsd jerky driving fsd late deceleration fsd stops too early too quickly fsd stops too far behind line fsd tailgating in city streets
Apparently few were out right purchasing it. And at $8k the subscription still seems to be a better deal given the flexibility and break even after almost 7 years.
No worries though. FSD will pay for itself and then some.
zoomer0056
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A four year old post.Apparently few were out right purchasing it. And at $8k the subscription still seems to be a better deal given the flexibility and break even after almost 7 years.
No worries though. FSD will pay for itself and then some.
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I would guess $12k or 15k is closer to -3dB than a price noise floor given Elon's plans to take a sizeable revenue percentage and be a robotaxis competitor.
The current FSD price is still too high. And in the future increased out of pocket costs will be related to hardware via improved sensors and added redundancy. For now the TSLA AI team hasn't publicly acknowledged the need for supplemental sensors or proven they are capable of sensor integration.
And as more people experience FSD in the months to come, I wouldn't be surprised if they thumb their nose. It needs to be an effective, comfortable, convenience and not introduce so many stressors, safety risks.
Yep, there's gonna be old posts. Tesla introduced self driving to the public in Oct 2014. That's over 9 years ago.
Did you forget the /s?
Subscription is still better since it can be suspended when the car is not being used.
Why wouldn't your car be used every single month?
1. a holiday without your car,
2. You suffer a broken leg or have surgery and can't drive for a couple of months,
3. The car is in the shop/driveway awaiting parts for a repair
Or, if you total the car, you lose part of the month you paid for until you cancel the subscription. If you total your car in between 'special one-time offers' to transfer FSD to a new car, you are $$$$OL, so sad, too bad.
Finally, if you decide to upgrade to a new tesla within the 80 months (for example, a second kid currently makes the M3 a bit too cramped for you), you can't take FSD with you unless elon blesses you with a special 'one-time' transfer offer.
And for those who live where there are potholes or heavy weather, FSD currently can't be used daily for days/weeks at a time. Why pay for it when you can't use it?
.....but at least my Tesla has appreciated over $100k in value since I bought it just like Elon said.
Surely Elon is willing to give a nice trade in value for our FSD equipped Tesla's. Oh that's right, FSD has no trade in value!!! What the?!
12-15k is to high (actually 8k now) but in my view that was their point. They do not Want anyone to own it. Owning it creates a long term liability to Tesla for any considered update or direction change as many maintain the “entitlement” strategy. Like most All software company the money is in a subscription model. Don’t like it, leave. They are owed nothing and no liability. If even 1 million subscribe in a month that’s 10 Million a pop. That’s the path Tesla wants to be on.
Nope. That was when Autopilot V1 (mobileye) was released. Then came AP V2. First version of FSD was released in 2019.
We absolutely cannot use FSD on icy roads with sharp curves, which is most of our daily driving in the winter. It's pointless because the car takes those curves too fast even when it's dry. And potholes. And, for us, the maps FSD uses are horribly wrong where we live so it makes lots of mistakes. For some reason the maps are worse than whatever AP is using (I can tell by the imaginary speed limit signs the car uses, which are different in the same spot.)
So, yes. Subscription only, or free, makes the only sense for us. As FSD stands right now, it's barely worth it under the best conditions, sometimes.
PianoAl
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Gotcha. I'm talking about the driver pressing the accelerator and the car refusing to accelerate. That never happens, right?
MarcG
Active Member
The only scenario I can think of is when “obstacle-aware acceleration” is enabled and the car detects an object in its path
I just saw people offered $2k. That’s insane. Should have just been given to them.Actually EPA is now dead (again) a I bet for good this time (or until Elon sees a toilet 3AM tweet and asking and replies "yea"
Also People who bought can upgrade for $2k. So not free but not too bad.
Why "insane" since EAP was priced @$6k so $2K is just the difference between them? So that makes it exactly the same price as buying FSD now.
That is a LOT better offering than for people who bought FSD @$12K last week.
AlanSubie4Life
Efficiency Obsessed Member
I'm definitely regretting not waiting 4 years for these fire sale prices. Finally the $2k price came back (the one that I missed the first time)! Could have saved myself $1k and not had to deal with posting profusely about the various problems with FSD. Would have saved everyone else a bunch of time too.Why "insane" since EAP was priced @$6k so $2K is just the difference between them? So that makes it exactly the same price as buying FSD now.
That is a LOT better offering than for people who bought FSD @$12K last week.
jabloomf1230
Minister of Silly Walks
I'm not clear as to what you are saying no to. If not "finding" the drive was solely a software bug, more Tesla owners would be complaining about it. I opt for an explanation that the issue is a combination of a software bug and certain factors, including not only the condition of the drive itself, but also the Tesla model, the firmware version and other attached USB devices.
tmoz
S85D, Y LR, ex Prius PiP
My salesperson told me that Elon was going to demonstrate a NY to LA driverless trip soon. That was in early 2015 when I bought my model S.
No label was given to this feat, but neverthesless, that is what the sales person told me.
Of course it has no trade-in value. Why would you expect otherwise? Since it's software, Tesla has an infinite inventory of FSD upgrades at zero cost to them, so how could it have any trade-in value? You might as well try to sell your copy of Windows back to Microsoft.Surely Elon is willing to give a nice trade in value for our FSD equipped Tesla's. Oh that's right, FSD has no trade in value!!! What the?!
AlanSubie4Life
Efficiency Obsessed Member
Yes. That seems clear! There are a lot of complaints about it. I am sure with analysis one could figure out the commonalities!
Nope just meant your drive behavior did not match mine.
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