KArnold
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Tesla Driver Charged With Killing Motorcyclist After Turning on Autopilot and Browsing His Phone
Your Tesla is not a "self driving car" no matter how hard you want to believe it.
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FSD v12.x (end to end AI)
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- #fixphantombraking autopilot chill is not chill elon is an ass fix fsd extreme late deceleration fsd does not commit to go fsd does not maintain proper speed fsd hard and late braking fsd jerky driving fsd late deceleration fsd stops too early too quickly fsd stops too far behind line fsd tailgating in city streets
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In SoCal 80 might be considered 'traffic crawling' but I certainly don't.
As for legality, apparently Oregon motorcyclists have attempted a few times to get lane-splitting at low speed legalized and failed. (most recently according to a quick search was May 2023.)
You probably don't remember, but if the car interpreted you as passing the semi in the next lane, current V11 (highway) behaviour is to slow down when beside the semi. I've seen that commented on multiple times and experienced it as well, and, as usual, this isn't consistent but common behaviour. So it might have been the semi and not delayed reaction to bikes that caused the slow down.
The article says that it was using Autopilot not FSDTesla Driver Charged With Killing Motorcyclist After Turning on Autopilot and Browsing His Phone
Your Tesla is not a "self driving car" no matter how hard you want to believe it.
Question about leaving feedback when disengaging or reporting: (I'm not sure if those are the same thing.)
I only connect to wifi about 5 times a year when I download updates (no wifi at home which makes avoiding updates easy.)
Do my reported incidents just go nowhere? I have no way of seeing if they are uploading while I'm downloading since I can't monitor the data traffic on the public connection and given some of the posts commenting on the amount of data uploaded, I'd be surprised if that was happening (it would slow down the connection dramatically and my updates usually only take about 20 minutes to download.)
On the other hand, I have premium connectively. Could tesla be using that (either because it is paid, or just their base connectivity) to pull the feedback data?
Or is all my driving input (deliberate as well as unreported but captured by the car) simply being overwritten when whatever place it is stored becomes full and new reports overwrite the old?
I only connect to wifi about 5 times a year when I download updates (no wifi at home which makes avoiding updates easy.)
Do my reported incidents just go nowhere? I have no way of seeing if they are uploading while I'm downloading since I can't monitor the data traffic on the public connection and given some of the posts commenting on the amount of data uploaded, I'd be surprised if that was happening (it would slow down the connection dramatically and my updates usually only take about 20 minutes to download.)
On the other hand, I have premium connectively. Could tesla be using that (either because it is paid, or just their base connectivity) to pull the feedback data?
Or is all my driving input (deliberate as well as unreported but captured by the car) simply being overwritten when whatever place it is stored becomes full and new reports overwrite the old?
Yep. Last we heard they only held ~5 events to upload. (But that was with the video snapshot button that most of us don't have.) There was rumor that they increased the capacity.
Highly doubtful. In fact, when Chuck talked to one of the Tesla drivers I think they mentioned to make sure to leave the vehicle awake and connected to WiFi to upload the data.
Yep, there is very little capacity to hold events, so they are just likely getting overwritten.
zoomer0056
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Yup, driving/riding with caution and respect is a good thing.
Teasing out FSD deaths is difficult because all mainstream media refers to all driver assists on Tesla vehicles as "Autopilot".
There's that one claim of FSD involvement that came up in February, but which took place in 2022. The car drove into a tree and burned. The police officer talked about how the tire tracks showed the car being under power or whatever. That one.
Tesla worker died in horrible crash on Full Self-Driving beta, but he was also drunk
The horrible fatal crash of a Tesla employee using Full Self-Driving Beta has been reported in detail for the first...
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They quoted from the Washington Post article:
Thanks for the informative answer.
Before we updated to V12 we were on V11.4.3 and my husband was still leaving recordings, I pointed out it was useless to do so since we were on such an old version of FSDb and we didn't upload our info anyway.
It will be sad for my husband to come to terms that his driving feedback will do nothing to build a better product. He's the one all-in on funding FSD development and liked to feel he was making a difference.
Me? I don't give a hoot so will just use the button to continue to swear at the steaming POS car. Yes, I know tesla won't hear it but it makes me feel better.
willow_hiller
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Teasing out FSD deaths is difficult because all mainstream media refers to all driver assists on Tesla vehicles as "Autopilot".
There's that one claim of FSD involvement that came up in February, but which took place in 2022. The car drove into a tree and burned. The police officer talked about how the tire tracks showed the car being under power or whatever. That one.
Tesla worker died in horrible crash on Full Self-Driving beta, but he was also drunk
The horrible fatal crash of a Tesla employee using Full Self-Driving Beta has been reported in detail for the first...
They quoted from the Washington Post article:
That one was also directly refuted by Elon. The vehicle was in a rural area (no signal to transmit data), and the data recording unit was destroyed in the fire, but Tesla was able to confirm that the FSD Beta firmware was never downloaded to that employee's car in the first place:
Also confirmed by Rohan Patel:
zoomer0056
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The main point was that the Post claimed that this would be the first. So if the Post is correct and Elon is correct, then there haven't been any FSD deaths.
AlanSubie4Life
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I have no idea if there have been any deaths. I guess probably not because of the SGO but also doesn’t guarantee it.
Remember you can’t compare these miles driven to standard miles driven. It just can’t be done.
I think it probably makes some types of driving safer, but I really have no idea and unfortunately we don’t have any published data to attempt to determine the answer to this important question.
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Of course we'll never know until TSLA opens up their FSD statistics vault for public review. It's fair to assume things are far worse than TSLA currently claims.
I'm not so sure that's fair, at least not when characterized as "far" worse. A bit worse, sure. But if there were a slew of fatalities or something, that would be tough to keep under wraps, especially with the vitriol of MSM and shorts regarding events like that...
Newer news:
www.abc.net.au
A Tesla driver who made false claims the car was in autopilot when she crashed into a pedestrian has pleaded guilty
Sakshi Agrawal, who spent two years fighting charges against her, has entered a last minute guilty plea after she crashed into a pedestrian in Melbourne in 2022 and falsely blamed the car's autopilot feature.
www.abc.net.au
Tesla Deaths: Digital record of Tesla crashes resulting in death
Tesla Deaths is a record of Tesla accidents that involved the death of a driver, occupant, cyclist, motorcyclist, or pedestrian.
Hasn't been updated in a few months, but well researched and sourced.
I know, Elon is a Bullsh$ter that delivers.
So he manages to make everyone both right/happy 
and wrong/unhappy.
But boy can he hype while not understanding what a basic timeline actually is. Guess he missed "How to read a Calendar" day in 2ed grade.Stock analyst Toni Sacconaghi was on CNBC this morning (not a TSLA bull). Said he's been driving FSD the last 3 weeks and FSD has made good progress but has "every daily limitations," "still a long ways to go." He thinks:
- full self driving will take 5-10 years,
- it isn't clear that TSLA will be the only company solving it,
- automotive innovation (premium features) are almost always priced away due to global competition and eventually become standard features.
- full self driving will take 5-10 years,
- it isn't clear that TSLA will be the only company solving it,
- automotive innovation (premium features) are almost always priced away due to global competition and eventually become standard features.
I wasn't asking about FSD stats in general just if anyone knew if there were any fatalities and serious injuries. Fatalities would likely make the press. I haven't seen any reporting in the press or this forum of a fatality. A simple question.
Could be right ......BUT.......a stock analyst is NOT an engineer or scientist. So they have NO professional expertise or insight in the implementation or application of future technology.
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