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Is Tesla still giving out the FSD beta to qualified drivers?
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Rusty1
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The only reason FSD is in beta at all is because of government regulators. Some beaucrat sitting in his office determines how many people in the entire country get to test the beta.
Knightshade
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This is not at all true. There's no federal regulation of L2 driving in the US currently.
Nearly every wide release ADAS feature in teslas are also labeled beta- even basic AP and the auto windshield wipers.
The reason only some people have FSDBeta is because it's not ready for wide release per Tesla, which are the only ones who make that decision.
He's talking about thinking it'll be ready for everyone by the end of the year- so there wouldn't be anybody 'in' a testing program, it'd just be the "normal" beta like regular AP that everyone who paid for the feature gets.
Mind you- he thought it'd be in wide release last year too. And the year before that.
Beta is L3 - which is why it's limited - by the government.
FSD Beta is not an L3 system. If it was, you would be permitted to stop monitoring the vehicle while it was engaged.
Knightshade
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No, it's not.
L3 is also not regulated federally by the way, though FSDBeta isn't L3 either... so doubly wrong on that claim.
Again, this is factually wrong.
Ah, so first Beta was limited because it's an L3 system. Now it's limited because it's NOT an L3 system. And by a nameless bureaucrat sitting at a desk.
I can see where this is heading...
Source of your claim please. Or, link to published government regulation authorizing such limitation. Or, simply a media link reporting that such limitation has been applied, if you would be so kind.
Knightshade
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Daniel in SD
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The FMVSS does not regulate L3-L5 vehicle automation systems.
Knightshade
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You appear to be confusing "suggested policy" with "actual regulation"
The document itself, which I'm guessing you didn't read but instead just googled "federal regulation" or something and posted the link, explains this- pointing out they will need NEW regulatory authority in the future, but do not have it today- and that the document you cite is not legally binding on anyone in any way.
SilverString
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This document is a proposal only. The only thing I see is that "testers" must be authorized by the manufacturer, and hold a valid drivers license. It's also from 2016. Can you pinpoint anything in the document that supports your argument regarding number of beta testers?
It's in the document.
Exemptions from existing standards are intended to provide some flexibility to the general requirement that manufacturers must comply with applicable FMVSS and bumper standards. Exemptions provide for limited exceptions to the obligation to comply with the FMVSS in certain circumstances specified in the Vehicle Safety Act. 59 They are not intended to allow indefinite non-compliance for large numbers of vehicles. General exemptions are also not a device to excuse non-compliance with applicable standards simply because doing so would be inconvenient or inconsistent with the manufacturers’ preferred vehicle design. Additionally, general exemptions are only temporary—two to three years, with the option for renewal for a similar time period. As with interpretations, Agency rulings on exemptions have historically taken several months to several years. The Agency has committed also to expediting exemption requests regarding HAVs. Section III.C provides information to the public on how to request an exemption from NHTSA.
EVNow
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No. Per Elon, it will be in Beta until they are 10x better than humans. Its in the "secret master plan".
More federal regulation coming....
www.autonews.com
Tesla's conflicts with U.S. regulators coming to a head as safety crackdown looms
A clampdown on Autopilot could tarnish Tesla’s reputation with consumers and spook investors whose belief in the company’s self-driving bona fides have helped make Tesla CEO Elon Musk the world’s wealthiest person.
www.autonews.com
Knightshade
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It's really not- since that's not a regulatory document at all
It's policy suggestions for future regulation that does not currently exist.
More federal regulation coming....
Tesla's conflicts with U.S. regulators coming to a head as safety crackdown looms
A clampdown on Autopilot could tarnish Tesla’s reputation with consumers and spook investors whose belief in the company’s self-driving bona fides have helped make Tesla CEO Elon Musk the world’s wealthiest person.
What's funny here, is this link contradicts your own previous claims.
It points out this stuff is not currently regulated
YOUR source said:
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