...I know it's 4/20 dude, but c'mon....
You know very well regulation, policy and laws are separate things.
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Is Tesla still giving out the FSD beta to qualified drivers?
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You know very well regulation, policy and laws are separate things.
Knightshade
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Yes, I do.
You apparently don't since you keep claiming things that are not regulated at all by the federal government somehow are.
And when challenged to prove you cite:
Guidelines that are NOT regulating anything
and
A news story admitting your claims are false
Weird choices.
Did you read any of the links? Tesla is regulated by the NHTSA. A federal agency.
This quote merely states that manufacturers may request temporary exemptions from existing standards for limited purposes. It does not support your claim that a government bureaucrat has limited the number of beta testers.
You seem to imply that Tesla has been granted an exemption to some,as yet, unidentified vehicle requirements for the purpose of allowing 60,000+ members of the public access unreleased self driving capabilities on city streets. 60,000 testers would almost certainly be far exceeding the policy stated here for indefinete large-scal non-compliance, should a relevent vehicle standard exist and should Tesla have applied for exemption from that standard.
So, which vehicle regulation or standard has Tesla been granted an exception from?
Of course Tesla is regulated by the Federal Government. Every business and every person is somehow regulated by the Federal Government. Your statement does not support your claim that the Federal Government is involved in limiting the number of beta testers.
Knightshade
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I did.
They not only don't support your original claims, they outright contradict them
some things Tesla does are regulated federally by the NHTSA.
Others are regulated federally by the FCC.
Others are regulated federally by the SEC.
Others are regulated federally by the FTC.
Others are regulated federally by nobody because there are no federal regulations on them
The stuff you previously, falsely, claimed, about FSDBeta is in that last group.
A fact your own source confirmed when quoted back to you
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Did FSD come from FSD Beta or did FSD Beta come from FSD, and more importantly, why?
Knightshade
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I'm using Tesla's own terms, don't blame me that's it's confusing.
FSD vs FSD beta
Hello, I tried to look this up but could not find an answer. Just got an M3 with FSD on it. If I don't hit "Request FSD beta" will I still be able to use FSD or no? Will I have to go through the whole Beta safety score first. I don't care about the beta portion but would I still be able to use...
teslamotorsclub.com
Knightshade
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You realize your link is not "from tesla" right?
It's just some dudes on this forum discussing Tesla.
That said- much of the discussion in that thread illustrates why your question makes no sense.
Once again you've accidentally provided a source that is contrary to your own argument
Reading stuff actually from Tesla -- in particular here the CA DMV emails-- would probably help you out significantly in understanding both:
What FSDBeta is.
and
Why Tesla themselves contradicts your claim it is L3.
It's to show you're not the only one that's confused.You realize your link is not "from tesla" right?
It's just some dudes on this forum discussing Tesla.
That said- much of the discussion in that thread illustrates why your question makes no sense.
Once again you've accidentally provided a source that is contrary to your own argument
Reading stuff actually from Tesla -- in particular here the CA DMV emails-- would probably help you out significantly in understanding both:
What FSDBeta is.
and
Why Tesla themselves contradicts your claim it is L3.
Knightshade
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...but I'm not confused.
Which is why I've been able to correct the many and repeated untrue claims you keep making here and which your own sources even contradict.
But you are. Maybe try actually reading the links I provide to un-confuse yourself.
Knightshade
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I did read them.
They confirmed your claims were untrue.
I then quoted the sections here proving you wrong from your own source.
Odd you didn't bother to read them yourself before posting.
Knightshade
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One is a product sold to the general public consisting of a list of specific features, enumerated on the page where you purchase it. None of them exceed the definition of SAE L2 for an ADAS system. That includes the final feature not yet delivered- city streets.
FSDBeta is the popular name for Teslas city streets L2 driving code currently being tested by a limited set of owners to further improve development. This will eventually provide the final deliverable for the general release FSD product. Aspirationally it'll also improve other, existing, parts of the current FSD features but today it does not (today legacy versions of all other aspects of FSD operate for the other features like summon, autopark, and highway autopilot/NoA even for FSDBeta participants). This, also does not exceed the definition of SAE L2 for an ADAS system.
If you're unclear on the details of the above- Tesla themselves spells it out clearly in the CA DMV emails.
0 of the above is "regulated" federally at all-- not the available features, nor whom or how many people can access them.
A fact your own news link confirmed earlier.
So- to reiterate- every claim you've made about any of this is factually untrue.
Then why is the one with more feature set called beta and the one with less not called beta, seems like a step backward right? What's preventing Tesla from releasing the one with more feature set? Hint: Tesla's own website says they are restricted by government regulation.
Knightshade
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Because you don't understand anything I, or Tesla, or your own news story you cited but did not read have written about this and yet keep trying to tell others how it works?
FSD is a product you can purchase from Tesla right now.
FSDBeta is a marketing name for limited release test code that isn't ready got the general public yet-- it's not a thing you can buy.
tesla explains that second bit in more detail in the CA DMV emails you also haven't read.
The fact it currently isn't very good. Or safe.
In fact it tells you that when you turn it on- warning you it requires much closer supervision than the public release code.
It'll be released widely when it's ready to be.
NOTHING related to the government is involved in that at all
Hint: No, it does not say that.
You are again misreading and misunderstanding what has actually been said and by whom.
Again you own source confirms you are wrong
Tesla's conflicts with U.S. regulators coming to a head as safety crackdown looms
A clampdown on Autopilot could tarnish Tesla’s reputation with consumers and spook investors whose belief in the company’s self-driving bona fides have helped make Tesla CEO Elon Musk the world’s wealthiest person.
www.autonews.com
YOUR source said:
That quote is in fact from Elon Musk, as cited in the story.
Further
YOUR source said:
FSD is not federally regulated
Not the public sold product, not the FSDBeta test program.
Your. Claims. Are. Untrue.
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it's nothing to do with "more" or "less" .. it's quite simple. "FSD" is a marketing term that Tesla use for a package of features you can purchase, including Smart Summon and NoA. One feature of the FSD package, "city streets", in still in development, and it is this feature that is being tested. Confusingly, this "city streets beta" has been called "FSDbeta" .. so its just a naming confusion. Nothing more, nothing less.
I fail to understand your logic about why a beta version would not have more features than a non-beta version. Of course it has more features, that's why its beta! And no, Tesla does not say they are restricted by government regulation, they say they may be restricted. That's a very different thing.
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