Electroman
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Wasted my time clicking on that link.
By that definition Tesla is already L5 (in my driveway)
By that definition Tesla is already L5 (in my driveway)
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Tesla is not L3, L4 or L5 anywhere. Not in your driveway or garage. Tesla has to state explicitly that their system is L5.Wasted my time clicking on that link.
By that definition Tesla is already L5 (in my driveway)
Many people have been doing summons with no problems, but there are also many reports of damages even on their driveway:Wasted my time clicking on that link.
By that definition Tesla is already L5 (in my driveway)
On the 405 in Los Angeles, 37mph is speedingOk, so I'll just call out the elephant in the room: 37 mph on a highway?? Living in Canada maybe I'm converting it wrong, but isn't that incredibly slow for a highway? As in so slow that you can't use it at all unless there is a traffic jam?
....and the L3 system is not approved.On the 405 in Los Angeles, 37mph is speeding
Correct...and since Nevada is (still) located within the USA, it makes them:This approval is only for driving in the state of Nevada.
Germany has just increased the speed limitation to 130 km/h (80 mph). Most likely this happened after consultations with the major German manufacturers and we will soon see cars going that speed with L3.The “37mph” limitation for UNECE R157 was recently removed. How this affects vehicles, such as the previous approved Mercedes model already approved under 157 I don’t know but is moot in USA as I believe they have opted out of 157.
But if updated type approval is given this may soon filter down to the parts of the world that do subscribe to UNECE R157 and use that as a basis of vehicle type approval which would effectively allow NoA style L3 functionality (ALKS) on restricted highways which would fulfill a significant use case for many.
Its probably the UNECE R157 change, so global harmonised regs for those that choose to adopt them, ie not US. I'm not sure how the European regs work with the UNECE ones - if like UK, we follow UNECE and/or now our own regs rather than European regs, so I guess Europe may have their own regs in addition to UNECE ones? In UK, car needs to meet type approval for either UNECE and/or UK regs, then be on a list of approved vehicles meeting the L3 type approval, of which, at time of writing, there is none, but is early days for higher speed use. I think there needs to be some tests to ensure that vehicle follows UK driving regulations which may be in addition to any harmonised UNECE approval. I'm expecting several systems to gain R157 approval now the limit has been removed and its more than just traffic jam assist so much more useful.Germany has just increased the speed limitation to 130 km/h (80 mph). Most likely this happened after consultations with the major German manufacturers and we will soon see cars going that speed with L3.
I wonder what the overlap is between people who want to go 80+mph in an EV and people who want L3. I like to go 1 or 2 mph below the speed limit, so other cars won’t hang out near me.All the people desperate for L3 but also must drive 80+MPH are in for a treat. L3 will not allow you to drive faster than the posted speed limit. You have no control over the car in L3, the car is in total control until it needs to pass it back to you.
Think of how Autopilot on the highway works now, but when the speed drops below 37 mph (like during a traffic jam), you wouldn’t need to hold the steering wheel or look straight ahead. And when it detects traffic picking up, it gives you a warning to begin holding the wheel again because it’s about to go past 37 mph.I can't imagine anywhere I would like to go in a car that allows and would be acceptable for the car to drive a max of 37mph. Then for me to still have to be in the drivers seat, just in case... I don't think so. Level 4/5 even @ 37mph on the other hand, an urban taxi / chauffeur service becomes viable.
Current US L3 is slow at 37 mph but it does not have to be as pointed out by others: UN R157 was amended to expand L3 usage to 80mph (130km/h).I wonder what the overlap is between people who want to go 80+mph in an EV and people who want L3...
Mercedes has been doing FSD development years before Tesla even dreamt of it. Just so you all know.Mercedes-Benz Gets Approval to Deploy Level 3 Driving Tech in Nevada
Mercedes-Benz is the first automaker to receive regulatory approval to launch a Level 3 driver assistance system in Nevada.www.thedrive.com
“Mercedes is the first automaker to receive such approval in the U.S., beating out names like Tesla, General Motors, Ford, and even Honda”
Correct...and since Nevada is (still) located within the USA, it makes them:
"...the first automaker to receive such approval in the U.S."
They are going to ride the "beta" subtitle forever because it allows them to skirt accountability. Same way Fortnite is still in beta after half a decade because any bugs can be hand waved away by referencing its beta state.Taking liability is the ultimate test of how far a company trusts its own system. Still waiting for Tesla to put their stake down. We will continue waiting until (well into) HW4 it seems.
How are cops supposed to know if the EQS driver is operating L3 legally or is in fact distracted driving with the L3 system turned off? I presume there is a mode indicator in the car but that's hardly visible from the outside, and how is the EQS driver supposed to prove it in either case?That means cops will have to be trained to continue to ticket Tesla drivers and not EQS ones while at the speed of 37 mph or below on highways for "distracted driving."