This. I have an appointment for stealth ppf when mine comes in. I’m afraid I’m going to see the color and not want the wrap anymore lol.
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Model 3 Performance/Ludicrous Waiting Room
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Can always switch to gloss. I prefer stealth on darker colors like grey and black. For brighter colors, I like gloss.
Not to go too far off topic but I do want to comment to all of the non-US people out there who say they are getting a bum deal with their lesser power LG pack cars.
Yeah, I get it. We feel your disappointment and it's warranted. But we in the US have been on the other side of things in the recent past as well so we know how it feels to be given a lesser performing variant of a relatively affordable sports car in this very same performance segment than what was given to the European market at the time.
It was the BMW E36 M3.
Allow me to explain to the younger crowd and the non BMW enthusiasts who are unaware of this.
Back in 1995 when the E36 version of the M3 was released to the American market, the European market was already using the S50B30 motor for their M3's which produced 282hp for their 92-95 M3 model years. The US did NOT get this same euro spec motor in 95', we got the S50B30US version which produced 240hp. And it looks like Canada imported 45 M3's with the eruo spec S50 motor. US version is down 42 HP to the euro M3 for what appears to be no apparent reason. (If someone knows why, please comment)
Ok fine, BMW will make this right for the US market for subsequent model years. NOPE! Not only did we not get the 282hp motor that they were already using, we didn't get their next higher HP E36 motor either!
In 1995 for the European market, BMW replaced the S50B30 with the S50B32 for ONLY their market for their 95 to 99 M3 model years. Power increased from 282hp to 321hp
In the US and Canada, we didn't get a higher performing S50 motor that we thought we would for the 1996 model year. What did we get? A new US and Canada spec S52 motor. And how much 'more' power did this new S52 motor produce? None! It also produced 240hp like the previous S50 US spec'd motor. For the US M3 model, this S52 US North America motor continued on to the 1999 model year with the same spec'd motor, while in Europe they all got the 321hp motor.
81 more HP in a very capable 3,100 lb E36 chassis will be felt on the track and at the strip. Wonder how nice an already great car the E36 M3 would have been with 81 more HP.... Hmmm I don't know, maybe our European friends can tell us!
Yeah, I get it. We feel your disappointment and it's warranted. But we in the US have been on the other side of things in the recent past as well so we know how it feels to be given a lesser performing variant of a relatively affordable sports car in this very same performance segment than what was given to the European market at the time.
It was the BMW E36 M3.
Allow me to explain to the younger crowd and the non BMW enthusiasts who are unaware of this.
Back in 1995 when the E36 version of the M3 was released to the American market, the European market was already using the S50B30 motor for their M3's which produced 282hp for their 92-95 M3 model years. The US did NOT get this same euro spec motor in 95', we got the S50B30US version which produced 240hp. And it looks like Canada imported 45 M3's with the eruo spec S50 motor. US version is down 42 HP to the euro M3 for what appears to be no apparent reason. (If someone knows why, please comment)
Ok fine, BMW will make this right for the US market for subsequent model years. NOPE! Not only did we not get the 282hp motor that they were already using, we didn't get their next higher HP E36 motor either!
In 1995 for the European market, BMW replaced the S50B30 with the S50B32 for ONLY their market for their 95 to 99 M3 model years. Power increased from 282hp to 321hp
In the US and Canada, we didn't get a higher performing S50 motor that we thought we would for the 1996 model year. What did we get? A new US and Canada spec S52 motor. And how much 'more' power did this new S52 motor produce? None! It also produced 240hp like the previous S50 US spec'd motor. For the US M3 model, this S52 US North America motor continued on to the 1999 model year with the same spec'd motor, while in Europe they all got the 321hp motor.
81 more HP in a very capable 3,100 lb E36 chassis will be felt on the track and at the strip. Wonder how nice an already great car the E36 M3 would have been with 81 more HP.... Hmmm I don't know, maybe our European friends can tell us!
yes please. ThanksI know I know..it’s a PM3 thread so no comments on SLR lol
Congratulations to those gettin deliveries and vins.
Repat the oath.
I am faster but I am kinder.
I will pass and and move back over with ample room.
With lack of obvious signal stalks,, I will perform proper signal. Within a Tesla I am not a BMW driver.
Faster,smarter, and better I am.
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Repat the oath.
I am faster but I am kinder.
I will pass and and move back over with ample room.
With lack of obvious signal stalks,, I will perform proper signal. Within a Tesla I am not a BMW driver.
Faster,smarter, and better I am.
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Former E36 and E46 M3 owner here. I totally identify with your post!Not to go too far off topic but I do want to comment to all of the non-US people out there who say they are getting a bum deal with their lesser power LG pack cars.
Yeah, I get it. We feel your disappointment and it's warranted. But we in the US have been on the other side of things in the recent past as well so we know how it feels to be given a lesser performing variant of a relatively affordable sports car in this very same performance segment than what was given to the European market at the time.
It was the BMW E36 M3.
Allow me to explain to the younger crowd and the non BMW enthusiasts who are unaware of this.
Back in 1995 when the E36 version of the M3 was released to the American market, the European market was already using the S50B30 motor for their M3's which produced 282hp for their 92-95 M3 model years. The US did NOT get this same euro spec motor in 95', we got the S50B30US version which produced 240hp. And it looks like Canada imported 45 M3's with the eruo spec S50 motor. US version is down 42 HP to the euro M3 for what appears to be no apparent reason. (If someone knows why, please comment)
Ok fine, BMW will make this right for the US market for subsequent model years. NOPE! Not only did we not get the 282hp motor that they were already using, we didn't get their next higher HP E36 motor either!
In 1995 for the European market, BMW replaced the S50B30 with the S50B32 for ONLY their market for their 95 to 99 M3 model years. Power increased from 282hp to 321hp
In the US and Canada, we didn't get a higher performing S50 motor that we thought we would for the 1996 model year. What did we get? A new US and Canada spec S52 motor. And how much 'more' power did this new S52 motor produce? None! It also produced 240hp like the previous S50 US spec'd motor. For the US M3 model, this S52 US North America motor continued on to the 1999 model year with the same spec'd motor, while in Europe they all got the 321hp motor.
81 more HP in a very capable 3,100 lb E36 chassis will be felt on the track and at the strip. Wonder how nice an already great car the E36 M3 would have been with 81 more HP.... Hmmm I don't know, maybe our European friends can tell us!
Kilotango74
Active Member
Yeah how many Audi RS models did we never get. Not to mention the estate versions.Not to go too far off topic but I do want to comment to all of the non-US people out there who say they are getting a bum deal with their lesser power LG pack cars.
Yeah, I get it. We feel your disappointment and it's warranted. But we in the US have been on the other side of things in the recent past as well so we know how it feels to be given a lesser performing variant of a relatively affordable sports car in this very same performance segment than what was given to the European market at the time.
It was the BMW E36 M3.
Allow me to explain to the younger crowd and the non BMW enthusiasts who are unaware of this.
Back in 1995 when the E36 version of the M3 was released to the American market, the European market was already using the S50B30 motor for their M3's which produced 282hp for their 92-95 M3 model years. The US did NOT get this same euro spec motor in 95', we got the S50B30US version which produced 240hp. And it looks like Canada imported 45 M3's with the eruo spec S50 motor. US version is down 42 HP to the euro M3 for what appears to be no apparent reason. (If someone knows why, please comment)
Ok fine, BMW will make this right for the US market for subsequent model years. NOPE! Not only did we not get the 282hp motor that they were already using, we didn't get their next higher HP E36 motor either!
In 1995 for the European market, BMW replaced the S50B30 with the S50B32 for ONLY their market for their 95 to 99 M3 model years. Power increased from 282hp to 321hp
In the US and Canada, we didn't get a higher performing S50 motor that we thought we would for the 1996 model year. What did we get? A new US and Canada spec S52 motor. And how much 'more' power did this new S52 motor produce? None! It also produced 240hp like the previous S50 US spec'd motor. For the US M3 model, this S52 US North America motor continued on to the 1999 model year with the same spec'd motor, while in Europe they all got the 321hp motor.
81 more HP in a very capable 3,100 lb E36 chassis will be felt on the track and at the strip. Wonder how nice an already great car the E36 M3 would have been with 81 more HP.... Hmmm I don't know, maybe our European friends can tell us!
Omg. I just saw the picture and that grass behind the drivers side window made it look like the glass was completely cracked. I thought the post was going to be about you getting your heart broken lol. Glad it’s not the case and congrats!It is real!!
That’s a fine comment when you live in…SoCal!
If it were reversed and US was getting MIC over Pano? Let’s hear the same bud
Worse is non US versions are no cheaper for reduced kWh and power. Now that’s a joke.
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These type of comments usually lead to State vs State or Country vs Country posts which we dont allow here. I get the angst / etc, i really do, but I am asking people to dial this type of conversation down.
I wont ask to not discuss battery differences at all, but please everyone, be mindful of what your saying and how it might come across to someone else. Thanks.
I have a 1998 Estoril blue/white US E36 M3. While I'm sure the Eurospec one was faster, I doubt more reliable. I have 191K miles with no engine issues and on the original clutch. Great backup car when my Cayman is over and over again in the shop. I also thought one of the issues with the Eurospec one is the US had too much sulfer content for the sleeves.Not to go too far off topic but I do want to comment to all of the non-US people out there who say they are getting a bum deal with their lesser power LG pack cars.
Yeah, I get it. We feel your disappointment and it's warranted. But we in the US have been on the other side of things in the recent past as well so we know how it feels to be given a lesser performing variant of a relatively affordable sports car in this very same performance segment than what was given to the European market at the time.
It was the BMW E36 M3.
Allow me to explain to the younger crowd and the non BMW enthusiasts who are unaware of this.
Back in 1995 when the E36 version of the M3 was released to the American market, the European market was already using the S50B30 motor for their M3's which produced 282hp for their 92-95 M3 model years. The US did NOT get this same euro spec motor in 95', we got the S50B30US version which produced 240hp. And it looks like Canada imported 45 M3's with the eruo spec S50 motor. US version is down 42 HP to the euro M3 for what appears to be no apparent reason. (If someone knows why, please comment)
Ok fine, BMW will make this right for the US market for subsequent model years. NOPE! Not only did we not get the 282hp motor that they were already using, we didn't get their next higher HP E36 motor either!
In 1995 for the European market, BMW replaced the S50B30 with the S50B32 for ONLY their market for their 95 to 99 M3 model years. Power increased from 282hp to 321hp
In the US and Canada, we didn't get a higher performing S50 motor that we thought we would for the 1996 model year. What did we get? A new US and Canada spec S52 motor. And how much 'more' power did this new S52 motor produce? None! It also produced 240hp like the previous S50 US spec'd motor. For the US M3 model, this S52 US North America motor continued on to the 1999 model year with the same spec'd motor, while in Europe they all got the 321hp motor.
81 more HP in a very capable 3,100 lb E36 chassis will be felt on the track and at the strip. Wonder how nice an already great car the E36 M3 would have been with 81 more HP.... Hmmm I don't know, maybe our European friends can tell us!
cptnslo
Member
It (generally) forced all US spec cars to suffer, the manufactures didn't build cars just for CA, they sent them to all 50 states and put emissions controls on that suited CA. Too costly to engineer one car for CA and then the rest.
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