Wiki Model S Delivery Update

[teko]

I wonder if they're going to nerf existing long range S's. GET YER PITCH FORKS OUT PEOPLE

No, they might introduce Model S for $60-$65k, Model S long range for $75k and Model S Plaid for $90k

Boom.

 

[Grumble]

lol... Model 3 standard range has a higher top speed than a car twice its price.

 

[teko]

lol... Model 3 standard range has a higher top speed than a car twice its price.

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Nobody buys the car based on top speed

 

[sorka]

Nobody buys the car based on top speed

That might not 'Ring true

 

[Grumble]

Nobody buys the car based on top speed

That's like saying nobody buys a car based on 0-60 times either

 

[sorka]

That's like saying nobody buys a car based on 0-60 times either

True, but I only ever once hit 130 miles on my P85DL in 135K miles yet I accelerated from 0-60 in under 3 seconds multiple times every day.

 

[Carolina Karl]

My first refined EDD came in this afternoon:

Order date 12/23/2023
MSLR/White/Cream/Wheel/19''
Original EDD Jan24-Feb24

01/04/24 - EDD pushed to Feb 13 to Mar 26

 

[dsm363]

That's like saying nobody buys a car based on 0-60 times either

It's odd but don't think it will stop someone from picking the Model S over the Model 3 if that's what they really wanted. The long range Model S isn't a track car so unlikely to make any real world difference.

 

[aerodyne]

I'm glad they only nerfed the top speed, not the range of the LR.

 

[Childs_Play]

It is kind of concerning that all current inventory of 2023 Model S still show the original range estimates. If all of these changes are only going to affect new production then there may be a line of people looking to snatch up these 2023 Plaids with the better range.

 

[signalbobby]

Also notice that the Plaid Model X is now charging an additional $6,500 for the included 6 seat option.

This is dumb.

 

[MP3Mike]

It is kind of concerning that all current inventory of 2023 Model S still show the original range estimates. If all of these changes are only going to affect new production then there may be a line of people looking to snatch up these 2023 Plaids with the better range.

The EPA testing procedure changes only supply to 2024, and newer, model years.

 

[BPeter]

The first reason is due to what Tesla refers to as “comfort and functionality improvements” that draw more energy from the battery pack. Tesla did not explain what those improvements were, but did say that they felt they improve the usability enough to offset the drop in range.

The second reason is changes to the EPA testing cycle, which now requires tests to be conducted with acceleration and ride height modes in best and worst case scenarios, the average of which is then taken. According to Tesla this results in “higher consumption and a slight decrease in overall range.”

This is weird. Acceleration mode should have no impact on the EPA cycle. Will the ride height impact be severe? Worst case scenario for ride height is disabling auto lowering and setting it to high, but at highway speeds it still automatically forces it down to normal. Could that really account for such a big difference?

Otherwise there is the comfort and "functionality" improvements. Comfort again I don't think will have a major impact. What did they change it from 70 to 72?

"Functionality" is probably where most of this change is coming from. That sounds like battery conditioning changes to me. Maybe the range really is being significantly affected by something.

The biggest mystery is why the LR on 19" wheels was not affected. The Plaid uses the same battery and everything else other than the drive units.
The LR rating went UP on the 21" wheels from 375 to 382 and the previously mentioned top speed decrease. What could explain this?
Additionally, the LR is just "est" for both wheel configs instead of "EPA est", while the Plaid is "EPA est" for both wheel configs.

One other thing I noticed is the option code in the image compositor is now MTS18, whereas the older ones in inventory are MTS13 for the LR and MTS19/MTS14 for Plaid. So definitely a new version.

 

[calm-one]

This is weird. Acceleration mode should have no impact on the EPA cycle. Will the ride height impact be severe? Worst case scenario for ride height is disabling auto lowering and setting it to high, but at highway speeds it still automatically forces it down to normal. Could that really account for such a big difference?

Otherwise there is the comfort and "functionality" improvements. Comfort again I don't think will have a major impact. What did they change it from 70 to 72?

"Functionality" is probably where most of this change is coming from. That sounds like battery conditioning changes to me. Maybe the range really is being significantly affected by something.

The biggest mystery is why the LR on 19" wheels was not affected. The Plaid uses the same battery and everything else other than the drive units.
The LR rating went UP on the 21" wheels from 375 to 382 and the previously mentioned top speed decrease. What could explain this?
Additionally, the LR is just "est" for both wheel configs instead of "EPA est", while the Plaid is "EPA est" for both wheel configs.

One other thing I noticed is the option code in the image compositor is now MTS18, whereas the older ones in inventory are MTS13 for the LR and MTS19/MTS14 for Plaid. So definitely a new version.

Does this range change have anything to do with the LR showing all season tires for both 19" and 21" rim sizes whereas Plaid shows summer tires for both rim sizes?

Like others I am puzzled how the LR remained unchanged. I am invested into this as my Plaid is due next week.

Also, the summer tires are rumored to be Pirelli P Zeros. Looking at Pirelli's limited warranty it exempts "tire damage and surface cracks due to use in low ambient temperatures". There are a multitude of online sources calling the use of summer tires in winter climates or conditions unsafe. Why is Tesla delivering summer tires for delivered vehicles in winter months for sites in "chill" latitudes?

Wouldn't a scenario of customer picking up a vehicle on a wintery cold day having an accident on the way home be a instant lotto ticket for involved attorney's?

 

[patgilm]

In two years I’ve never come close to the EPA range on my Plaid, not even really close even on trips where I’m not stopping and starting a lot. There was an article the other day on real world range vs EPA and the Tesla they tested wasn’t close. The BMWs tested were nearly spot on.

 

[patgilm]

Double check that the side marker cameras aren't wiggling loose. Mine were and Tesla blamed my PPF installer although I'm fairly certain they were like that prior to the install.

Same thing happened to me so I had to pay for another side camera.

 

[n2mb_racing]

I think 300 miles is realistic for the Plaid with 21s. That's about what I could manage, but going all the way to zero percent. 265 miles was comfortable.

 

[terranx]

I think 300 miles is realistic for the Plaid with 21s. That's about what I could manage, but going all the way to zero percent. 265 miles was comfortable.

Yeah that seems about right for me (I’m on 20s, but my range predictions on the 21” setting or pretty close to reality). Essentially same range as what I would get on my model 3 performance.

 

[DBV1]

It's odd but don't think it will stop someone from picking the Model S over the Model 3 if that's what they really wanted. The long range Model S isn't a track car so unlikely to make any real world difference.

Very true. Could care less about the top speed of the Model S LR. Who would ever go that fast in normal every day driving? I just want the best possible range in the Model S package.

Will be interested in seeing the new Yoke and what they might have improved over the old one that has peeling issues.

I still wish the EPA would have one test for all cars. So dumb there are two different tests. Lucid/Tesla have the more optimistic EPA test, which I guess is more expensive and BMW/Mercedes/Porsche, etc have the more conservative test and usually outperform. Would rather have all cars have the more conservative test, especially as more of the general population moves to EV’s.

 

[dsm363]

Very true. Could care less about the top speed of the Model S LR. Who would ever go that fast in normal every day driving? I just want the best possible range in the Model S package.

Will be interested in seeing the new Yoke and what they might have improved over the old one that has peeling issues.

I still wish the EPA would have one test for all cars. So dumb there are two different tests. Lucid/Tesla have the more optimistic EPA test, which I guess is more expensive and BMW/Mercedes/Porsche, etc have the more conservative test and usually outperform. Would rather have all cars have the more conservative test, especially as more of the general population moves to EV’s.

Exactly. The EPA testing is horrible but it's better than the European testing version which is even more unrealistic for EVs. I think the EPA should give a more realistic highway range. Not average speed 49mph with acceleration. People usually travel on highway at constant speed so want to know that range.

It'd have City/Highway tests at both 32F and 85F. Four numbers maybe or 5 with a mixed use number like they have now (one number that combines everything). One number doesn't tell people much and is misleading.