But remember - Ombudsman does not get into right and wrong. They just look at whether or not the rules are followed. That's why a regulatory challenge from CELA is the only avenue they might possibly have.
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You can't just take numbers from the tesla website... Real world is different
You need to factor in wall efficiency to those numbers (about 15% more)...ie, to put 14.73kwh of useable charge into the car the wall plug puts out about 16.9kwh..
Plus, once you add in taxes, transport and other fees (at least where I am) off peak charging averages out to around 12 c/kwh.
These numbers need further breakdown. I had a fairly good exploration with our local power company in Ontario regarding this. Efficiency is factored in by the power company when they total the net power energy used by adding to it an Adjustment Factor of 1.0421.
Regarding Delivery charge, there is a flat monthly charge of $28.78 every customer pays regardless of usage. The only usage based extra charges are: Distribution @ $0.0060 per kWh; Transmission Network & Connection @ $0.0133; and Market Service @ $0.0039 per kWh. So, the effective rate per kWh using off-peak of 6.5 cents/kWh = $ 0.0650+0.0060+0.0133+0.0039, which equals 8.82 cents per kWh. Grossing it up by the adjustment factor of 1.0421 brings it up to 8.912 cents per kWh. Add the GST taxes (there are no provincial taxes applied at the moment) and the final end-user rate becomes 9.357 cents per kWh, all-inclusive. The cost to fully charge a Tesla Model 3 LR battery would mean multiplying $0.09357/kWh with the actual time to pack in those 75 kilowatts, and the cost to charge a partially depleted battery would similarly be dictated by the SOC "bandwidth" or "window" as it takes less time to charge the battery somewhere between the range of 20-80% than it does to charge the first 20% and the last 20% of battery capacity. So, a potentially $7 "fill-up" to go 500 km in my Model 3, versus my ICE car's $75 fill-up to go a similar distance.
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With Ontario hydro there is a delivery fee per KWH. The fee is the same all day, no time of use fee. That works out to about 6-7 cents per KWH with Ontario hydro on top of the electricity cost that is time of day based. Plus the other general fixed fees.
Depending on your off peak rate. Here in Ontario is 6.1 cents per kW your cost is approx 10 cents per kW including delivery and hst. Cost of an average ICE Vehicle at 10 ltr per 100km at the price of 1.30 per ltr is approx $75. This will give you 500km. So the effective cost of running your EV compared to ICE is 10%. $7.50 for 75 kW or $75 for 50 ltrs.
Both will give 500 km.
car manufacturers have huge investments in oil and gas companies. Economics and revenues are built on consumption. atleast my consumption of hydro will stay in Ontario. Our government here is the biggest shareholder.
None whatsoever. I've emailed 3 MPP's and several Ministers. Not a word of response from anyone.
Sad state of affairs - I'm holding out another few weeks then canceling if nothing comes up. As mentioned before, I'd rather wait for a Federal incentive than fall into some black hole in between.
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If the Ontario rebate is gone beyond any hope of extension, then you have nothing to lose (other than a slightly longer wait) and everything to gain by sitting on your hands and seeing what develops federally.
5_+JqckQttqck
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We waited 2 years and change, a few weeks can't hurt for everyone who pulled the trigger last moment. There's that 407Million the feds pulled back from Ontario when Ford announced cancellation of C&T. Appeal for the Fed to use those monies with their own green incentive programs for Ontarian.
I hear lots of talk in here about a Federal incentive, but is there anything to suggest that this is even something they are considering?
What makes you guys think it's going to happen at all?
What makes you guys think it's going to happen at all?
Thanks for posting this. We were wondering what all the extra charges would be .
They are registered as a dealership. Ministry has advised they are a dealership. The issue we are facing is that we ordered directly from manufacturer not through a dealership.
But in my case (which some others are arguing as well) is that we ordered at the dealership. Not sure what will come out of this but waiting it out for now .
Mind if I ask what was the narrative you put forward? Im thinking to call as well and I want to make sure I'm on the same page.
thanks,
NoBeard
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You used the dealers computer to order from the manufacturer. You did not order from the dealer. Sorry
Emailed response from ministry of transportation office.
As you can appreciate, I work in John’s Constituency Office. I sent your concerns forward to the Minister’s Office identifying it was time sensitive.
I cannot officially respond to you however I can tell you from the conversations I have had to date, I believe there will not be any changes to the original announcement. The Ministry will definitely formally respond to you.
I told you I would try and get you a formal response as soon as possible Alex because of your situation. I will keep pushing for that however I feel certain that it will reflect the original announcement which did not include the Tesla.
Again, a formal response will be forthcoming from the Ministry of Transportation.
As you can appreciate, I work in John’s Constituency Office. I sent your concerns forward to the Minister’s Office identifying it was time sensitive.
I cannot officially respond to you however I can tell you from the conversations I have had to date, I believe there will not be any changes to the original announcement. The Ministry will definitely formally respond to you.
I told you I would try and get you a formal response as soon as possible Alex because of your situation. I will keep pushing for that however I feel certain that it will reflect the original announcement which did not include the Tesla.
Again, a formal response will be forthcoming from the Ministry of Transportation.
I’m down to a $13990 loss now that we have been told Tesla doesn’t have dealerships, therefore I don’t have to pay the $10 fee
There's a lot more detail in your costing summary than mine. Do you have a VIN or are you scheduled for delivery?
Wouldn’t it be kind of cool if the people we all gave $4200 to would come out and say something about the $14,000 that is no longer available to us. Even though they sold us the car advertising the cost being $14,000 lower and monthly payments adjusted accordingly.
We are at 9 days with no official statement, just twitter reply’s and one off conversations with people all telling conflicting information
We are at 9 days with no official statement, just twitter reply’s and one off conversations with people all telling conflicting information
Nope just showed up last night after I confirmed all info, have never been contacted by anyone from Tesla about anything
jkirkwood001
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K, I might be mixed up. Isn't GA3 the tent? That's where the (initial) AWD & M3P were being produced, correct?
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