Supercharging prices at last

[S4WRXTTCS]

Can you change your charging speed when using a supercharger?

Nope, if one was really desperate to be tier 2 they would wait at the supercharger for someone else to arrive. Then when that persons arrives they'd quickly take the shared port. Making sure to start their charge RIGHT after the other person started theirs.

Of course the other person might be annoyed, and they might try moving. So it might be a bit of a chase to keep sharing with this person. There is also the chance that they're a topper offer and they only plan on being there for a little bit.

 

[Zaxxon]

I'm happy with this setup. Pricing is fair (especially considering 400 kWh/year are gratis), yet high enough to discourage unnecessary use and sticking around longer than necessary. Something along these lines was going to have to happen prior to Model 3 quantities of vehicles hitting the road. I think this is a well-considered way to go.

 

[TexasEV]

Is the California price of 0.20/ kWh high enough to incentivize people to charge at home if they're able?

 

[Az_Rael]

Ah yes, so when the paired car leaves, I, I mean the cheapskate, will have to quickly move their car to another shared charger; preferably one who's driver just recently arrived.

That seems amusingly extreme and I can't wait for the you tube videos of someone chasing around another car at a mostly empty supercharger.

 

[Haxster]

Ah shucks! This gamesmanship is getting too confusing for me And besides, my car isn't even subject to these charges

 

[Az_Rael]

Is the California price of 0.20/ kWh high enough to incentivize people to charge at home if they're able?

If they are on a TOU plan, yes. Those let you charge at .13 to .14/kWh. If you are on a Tiered plan for whatever reason, no. Then your rate could be into the .30s once you hit Tier 4

 

[DMC-Orangeville]

Interesting that the price is listed for Nova Scotia, since there are no superchargers in that province. None are even planned on the 2017 future map.
Supercharging

...and Manitoba is missing, but has a pin in the 2017 map.

 

[Gwgan]

But slower charging is cheaper than fast charging, while scaling with the power consumed, does not incentivize people to charge quickly and move on.

 

[JCLeonard]

I'm a fan. This is exactly what we have been waiting to see and in the areas I would use the network the pricing seems reasonable.

 

[sdorn]

Also, even if you end up sitting at the charger for an hour, the price difference for that whole hour between tier 1 and tier 2 comes out to $4.80 (at least in GA). I can't see the motivation to go through all the shenanigans described above just save that tiny amount of money.

 

[ProphetM]

It seems fair. But I am still sad that there won't be any kind of unlimited supercharging add-on at time of purchase.

 

[FlatSix911]

Supercharging
The Supercharger network enables long distance travel. Stations are strategically placed to minimize stops and are conveniently located near desirable amenities like restaurants, shops and WiFi hot spots. Each station contains multiple Superchargers to get you back on the road quickly.

Supercharging is simple and convenient—just plug in and charge up. Supercharging history is automatically populated in your website account showing the credits used or, if applicable, the amount billed. Tesla is committed to ensuring that Supercharger will never be a profit center.
Tesla releases the details of its new Supercharger Credit program

More information from Electrek

Tesla owners will receive 400 kWh (kilowatt-hour) of free Supercharging credits (roughly 1,000 miles) annually on the anniversary of their delivery, which, as we reported when the program was first announced, should be enough to make Supercharging still free for most owners.

The company confirmed that it determined the amount based on current usage data of the network and they came to the conclusion that 400 kWh “covers the annual long-distance driving needs of the majority of their owners.” Therefore, the change will mainly affect owners who use the network more than the average, especially businesses like taxis, and should ultimately help with the overcrowding issue of the network, which is the goal of the new ‘Supercharger Credit’ program.

As for the experience itself, Tesla owners will be happy to know that nothing actually changes at the stations. The whole payment process is done through the ‘MyTesla’ account on Tesla’s website where owners will be able to access their charging history and see how many credits they have left. It means that owners can still simply park and plug at Supercharger stations.

In most regions, the price is set per kWh since that’s how electricity is priced and therefore, it makes the most sense, but Tesla will be forced to sell access per minute in some jurisdictions where the sale of electricity is restricted. In Texas for example, Tesla will be charging $0.08/minute for what it is calling ‘tier one’ charging, which is 60 kW charging or less, and $0.16/minute for ‘tier two’ (over 60 kW). You can access the full pricing information here, which of course changes based on the electricity rates in each region, but here are some examples:

• California: $0.20 per kWh
• New York: $0.19 per kWh
• Illinois: $0.15 per kWh

As you can see, it’s still significantly cheaper than gas and it’s also even cheaper than most independent charging networks since Tesla doesn’t aim to make a profit from the pricing model, but instead finance more charging stations. A Model S owner would be able to travel from Los Angeles to New York for just over $100 in charging cost under the program.

 

[geoffreak]

I found this in the source code if anyone wants to see the rates all at once. It appears that the rates that match low and high are the per kWh areas, vs the differing tier 1/2 per minute areas.

var RATES = {
"us": {
"AL": { high: "$0.18", low: "$0.09", name: "Alabama" },
"AZ": { high: "$0.16", low: "$0.08", name: "Arizona" },
"CA": { high: "$0.20", low: "$0.20", name: "California" },
"CO": { high: "$0.13", low: "$0.13", name: "Colorado" },
"CT": { high: "$0.26", low: "$0.13", name: "Connecticut" },
"DE": { high: "$0.18", low: "$0.09", name: "Delaware" },
"FL": { high: "$0.13", low: "$0.13", name: "Florida" },
"GA": { high: "$0.16", low: "$0.08", name: "Georgia" },
"ID": { high: "$0.12", low: "$0.12", name: "Idaho" },
"IL": { high: "$0.15", low: "$0.15", name: "Illinois" },
"IN": { high: "$0.16", low: "$0.08", name: "Indiana" },
"IA": { high: "$0.16", low: "$0.08", name: "Iowa" },
"KS": { high: "$0.18", low: "$0.09", name: "Kansas" },
"KY": { high: "$0.16", low: "$0.08", name: "Kentucky" },
"LA": { high: "$0.14", low: "$0.07", name: "Louisiana" },
"ME": { high: "$0.21", low: "$0.21", name: "Maine" },
"MD": { high: "$0.16", low: "$0.16", name: "Maryland" },
"MA": { high: "$0.22", low: "$0.22", name: "Massachusetts" },
"MN": { high: "$0.14", low: "$0.14", name: "Minnesota" },
"MI": { high: "$0.20", low: "$0.10", name: "Minnesota" },
"MS": { high: "$0.16", low: "$0.08", name: "Michigan" },
"MO": { high: "$0.16", low: "$0.08", name: "Missouri" },
"MT": { high: "$0.16", low: "$0.08", name: "Montana" },
"NE": { high: "$0.16", low: "$0.08", name: "Nebraska" },
"NV": { high: "$0.18", low: "$0.09", name: "Nevada" },
"NH": { high: "$0.24", low: "$0.12", name: "New Hampshire" },
"NJ": { high: "$0.20", low: "$0.10", name: "New Jersey" },
"NM": { high: "$0.16", low: "$0.08", name: "New Mexico" },
"NY": { high: "$0.19", low: "$0.19", name: "New York" },
"NC": { high: "$0.16", low: "$0.08", name: "North Carolina" },
"OH": { high: "$0.18", low: "$0.09", name: "Ohio" },
"OK": { high: "$0.16", low: "$0.08", name: "Oklahoma" },
"OR": { high: "$0.12", low: "$0.12", name: "Oregon" },
"PA": { high: "$0.20", low: "$0.10", name: "Pennsylvania" },
"RI": { high: "$0.24", low: "$0.12", name: "Rhode Island" },
"SC": { high: "$0.18", low: "$0.09", name: "South Carolina" },
"SD": { high: "$0.16", low: "$0.08", name: "South Dakota" },
"TN": { high: "$0.16", low: "$0.08", name: "Tennessee" },
"TX": { high: "$0.16", low: "$0.08", name: "Texas" },
"UT": { high: "$0.13", low: "$0.13", name: "Utah" },
"VT": { high: "$0.22", low: "$0.11", name: "Vermont" },
"VA": { high: "$0.13", low: "$0.13", name: "Virginia" },
"WA": { high: "$0.11", low: "$0.11", name: "Washington" },
"WV": { high: "$0.11", low: "$0.11", name: "West Virgina" },
"WI": { high: "$0.20", low: "$0.10", name: "Wisconsin" },
"WY": { high: "$0.16", low: "$0.08", name: "Wyoming" },
},
"north america": {
},
"europe": {
"AT": { high: "0.23 €", low: "0.23 €", name: "Austria" },
"BE": { high: "€ 0.23", low: "€ 0.23", name: "Belgium" },
"CR": { high: "HRK 1.4", low: "HRK 1.4", name: "Croatia" },
"CZ": { high: "5 CZK", low: "5 CZK", name: "Czech Republic" },
"DK": { high: "kr 2.40", low: "2.40", name: "Denmark" },
"FR": { high: "0.2 €", low: "0.2 €", name: "France" },
"DE": { high: "0.34 €", low: "0.17 €", name: "Germany" },
"IT": { high: "€ 0.25", low: "€ 0.25", name: "Italy" },
"LU": { high: "€ 0.2", low: "€ 0.2", name: "Luxembourg" },
"NL": { high: "€ 0.2", low: "€ 0.2", name: "Netherlands" },
"NO": { high: "kr. 1.4", low: "kr. 1.4", name: "Norway" },
"PO": { high: "1.00 PLN", low: "0.50 PLN", name: "Poland" },
"SL": { high: "0.20 €", low: "0.20 €", name: "Slovakia" },
"SN": { high: "0.21 €", low: "0.21 €", name: "Slovenia" },
"ES": { high: "0.24 €", low: "0.24 €", name: "Spain" },
"CH": { high: "CHF 0.25", low: "CHF 0.25", name: "Switzerland" },
"GB": { high: "£ 0.2", low: "£ 0.2", name: "Great Britain" },
},
"apac": {
"AU": { high: "$0.35", low: "$0.35", name: "Australia" },
"CN": { high: "¥ 1.80", low: "¥ 1.80", name: "China" },
"HK": { high: "$3", low: "$1.5", name: "Hong Kong" },
"JP": { high: "¥ 32.00", low: "¥ 16.00", name: "Japan" },
}
};

 

[SageBrush]

How many kw/h per minute does a supercharger put out at peak output? I guess at 60 kw/hr it is putting out 1 kw/minute. Georgia is $.16/minute for the higher tier and $.08/minute for the lower tier.

watt: power
wh: energy

w/h: what ?

Examples:
The peak power of the SC is around 120 kW
In a minute about 2 kWh of energy are delivered

 

[Dynastar]

Also, even if you end up sitting at the charger for an hour, the price difference for that whole hour between tier 1 and tier 2 comes out to $4.80 (at least in GA). I can't see the motivation to go through all the shenanigans described above just save that tiny amount of money.

I fear you underestimate the stupid in some people.

This is Tesla's first crack at charging for access, I'm sure if silly games become a problem they will tweek the structure to eliminate them. Good to try it out now before the floodgates of Model 3 opens.

 

[Zythryn]

But slower charging is cheaper than fast charging, while scaling with the power consumed, does not incentivize people to charge quickly and move on.

Tier rates are only in states where the charge is by the minute, isn't it?
If that is the case, yes, the lower power rate is cheaper, but it takes longer to charge x amount of power.
So the total bill is similar, it just takes longer.

 

[John E.]

sorry, but where does it give the cost for each state?

 

[No2DinosaurFuel]

For those who thinks another car plugging in the shared stall will NOT slow down their charging you are completely wrong!

Once plugged in the 2nd car always get at least 30-40KW charging. Guess where that is taken from?

Given the max supercharging station output is around 120KW. If you have the newer 90kwh or 100kwh battery with the ability to sustain over 100KW charging up until 45% SOC you will be slowed to around 70-90KW if one of those idiots plugs in next to you when are still charging fast and there are other free slots.

Please stop false information of no slow down of the first tesla once the new 2nd car plugs in.

 

[Gwgan]

Tier rates are only in states where the charge is by the minute, isn't it?
If that is the case, yes, the lower power rate is cheaper, but it takes longer to charge x amount of power.
So the total bill is similar, it just takes longer.

And I forgot about the idle fees which still apply. It all makes sense now.

 

[MP3Mike]

But slower charging is cheaper than fast charging, while scaling with the power consumed, does not incentivize people to charge quickly and move on.

But people have no choice in what speed they charge at when using a Supercharger. It goes as fast as it can.