Tesla Model 3 in Australia

[TeeThreee]

For fellow Victorian TM3 Tragics: Cap Capricorn is now in Victorian waters...
Can time possibly run more slowly???

 

[1st in Line]

I can't believe we are discussing the red herring of EVs being powered by coal.

Next we will be discussing how our EVs are destroying the weekends of tradies...

 

[Ploddy]

Apparently they are trucking cars from sydney to melbourne.

 

[qiSun]

the model 3 also burns fossil fuel when you plug it into the charger which gets its electricity in Australia predominantly from coal. same thing.

Back to basic physics, efficiency of electric motor is a lot higher than ICE regardless of energy sources and no noise and smell

 

[paulp]

the model 3 also burns fossil fuel when you plug it into the charger which gets its electricity in Australia predominantly from coal. same thing.

I charge my car almost exclusively from my solar panels. The only time I dont use solar is if I stop by he supercharger to use the parking space to grab my favourite coffee, which isnt that often.

 

[khayyam]

I assume no further word on accessories? I would hope that tesla would send some along, while they're packing containers. I'd like to add the roof racks, and hopefully it doesn't take 6 months (or more) to get them!

 

[1st in Line]

Food for thought on this, NZ is already burning gas and coal in Huntly as the hydro output is already well used. Any additional load by EVs over the current grid loading will need to come from burning, until more hydros can be built or wind gets substantially more and or better. The other option is to get rid of that smelter and figure out how to get Manapouri's generation piped north.

I've tried a few times to figure out how much better coal / gas is at a central source than burning petrol or diesel, but I'm not smart enough and my head starts hurting

Others have gone through the exercise of calculating the differences:

https://www.quora.com/If-electricit...es-from-oil-gas-then-whats-the-point-actually


These videos might also be of interest:

Electricity Comes From Coal, So EVs Aren't Cleaner Than Gas Cars, Right?

I did not realise that New Zealand has mandated that any additional grid capacity "has to come from burning". The rest of the world is switching to wind and solar because they are the cheapest energy sources.

 

[RobDickinson]

I did not realise that New Zealand has mandated that any additional grid capacity "has to come from burning". The rest of the world is switching to wind and solar because they are the cheapest energy sources.

Crazy as it seems they have not...

If the RioTinto plant at Tiwai closed and we spent a little on grid infrastructure we'd power everyones cars easily

Regardless you would be crazy to spend money on non renewable generation now esp in a country like NZ that has so much (water/wind/sun)

 

[Ecoli]

No so certain, I am a day 1 Reservation holder and ordered on day 1 that the configurator opened. My account was updated to reflect free 'Pearl White' and I have NO VIN assigned and my account still says awaiting finance even though I am approved. The TESLA rep has said 'not to worry about it' as they 'haven't started assigning cars yet' and when the delivery specialist is assigned to me that all of these things will be 'tidied up'. I also asked if I can expect my car by Mid-September when I will be leaving country for 6 weeks as the original order stated August. He told me this is 'unlikely', the thing I am finding the most frustrating about this whole process is just how dis-organised it all seems, I keep hearing that the local reps have no idea what is on what boat and when they arrive and that the new system will only allocate vehicles to clients when they are actually here, all seems a bit random to me.

I am not overly in a hurry but it would be nice to think that the $1000 usd of mine they have been holding for 3 years might get me some sort of priority along with the others in the same boat as opposed to 'we just see whats on the boat when it arrives'. I have sold my current car (as didn't want to hold up a potential August delivery) and are driving a crappy little rental until the Model 3 arrives which is why I would like an rough indication of when I might see it. I understand that they are in a logistical nightmare but honestly I would rather they just say nothing as opposed to all of this conflicting information, so far I have been told face to face by reps:

- August delivery looking good
- Unlikely to see it before middle of September
- Change to LR AWD from P- won't effect delivery time as they are the same car just with different software mods
- Change to LR AWD might delay delivery
- There are NO client cars in NZ as yet as the first batch will arrive late August
- There are ongoing deliveries and I will be contacted 1-2 weeks before my expected August delivery (i.e this week just ended)
- Great news txt 'your model 3 is almost here'
- Your finance is approved despite the account page saying 'pending finance approval'
- We will hold your car while you are away if you pay the full amont
- Your car won't be held if you can't pick-up within 7 days of us giving you a delivery date, it will be re-allocated

They are just so frustrating as they produce such a bloody good product which means I have to just grin and bare it, which lets face it is exactly what I am going to do.

hah all sad but true
To top it off if you can't pickup your long awaited car it will more than likely
be assigned to someone who can....back to the end of the queue

I wonder what all of this says about human nature
are we all a touch masochistic enjoying being at the whim of Telsa
the sweet pain of to order change or not, teased by Telsa txt messages
tortured by cars are here ...not ....maybe... on a slow boat from San Fran

Tesla is like dating a hot model she likes you...maybe, but you know
if you don't go along for the ride she'll have no trouble finding someone else who will
and will have forgotten your name by then.
But she's so dam hot.....

 

[Ecoli]

P3+, cash buyer (ready to go right now), January 2019 reservation, Ordered day 1. No VIN. No idea when.

me to, no reservation though
ordered 03/06/19
no VIN
could be a P3+ thing

 

[1st in Line]

Crazy as it seems they have not...

If the RioTinto plant at Tiwai closed and we spent a little on grid infrastructure we'd power everyones cars easily

Regardless you would be crazy to spend money on non renewable generation now esp in a country like NZ that has so much (water/wind/sun)

I 100% agree. What we do need is "smart grids". The problem is that these should have been planned for over the last 20 to 30 years. However, here in Australia we have been consumed by a hyper-partisan energy debate which has led to complete policy paralysis.

Now people are surprised that renewable energy has become cheaper than coal, but they are even more surprised that we have not planned for energy storage like large scale pumped hydro or lithium-ion. Even our future Model 3s could play a role in grid storage, but this cannot happen overnight.

But it gets even sillier than that. Australia is now looking into small scale nuclear energy again...

 

[Ploddy]

could be a P3+ thing

Yep I hope so. It helps my sanity to think of it in those terms

 

[PJF000]

I’ll continue to say this. Only listen to your tesla delivery specialist if you want delivery facts.
The last 5 pages are covered in supposed tesla people ‘in the know’ and yet they are all offering conflicting advice.

Was that 5 or 236

 

[Boxxynz]

realise that New Zealand has mandated that any additional grid capacity "has to come from burning". The rest of the world is switching to wind and solar because they are the cheapest energy sources.

Cheers for the links, good info.

There is no mandate at all, more pointing out that's what we have to fall back on right now as the hydros are already generating from most of their water available. Fingers crossed we get more renewables so we can limit Huntly's usage asap.

 

[meowsers]

Macquarie has just requested the invoice from Tesla on my behalf and it should be available soon. They even work on Sundays!!

 

[Grenadine]

How do you know, meowsers? macquarie text you or something? Something on tesla web site? Sorry for jumping on your post but I am in the same boat and very keen! haha

 

[aroth]

But if I can suddenly claim ecopoints for it, that's not bad either

Opposite for me. Buying for the ecopoints, and the fact that I also get an insanely fast car that will induce near-instant buyer's remorse in anyone who spent less than ~$250k on a "performance" ICE vehicle is just a bonus.

11.5kW of solar panels and 27kWh of storage, so won't burn fossil fuel when plugged in.

 

[meowsers]

How do you know, meowsers? macquarie text you or something? Something on tesla web site? Sorry for jumping on your post but I am in the same boat and very keen! haha

Got an email from them this evening. They requested it from Tesla, whether Tesla actually generates the invoice is another matter....

The car is being shipped to ACT, and Tesla did mention this was the "fastest" option available to me when I offered to pick it up in Sydney as I will be self-registering it. Maybe they will send it straight from Autonexus?

 

[HPSOV]

Thanks to Random for setting up the spreadsheet, I've just had a play round with the data in excel.
I can't see any correlation between having a VIN, or the VIN# and anything, not reservation date, not order date, not amended order etc.
The only pattern is you're far more likely to have a VIN if you have a P- than P+ or SR.
And the very few P+ and SR VIN's that have been allocated are ALL in the low numbers, 442, 443. Where the majority of P- VIN's are in the high numbers 488, 489, 490, 499 (only 2 out of 25 are in the low numbers).
It proved nothing but kept me occupied for half an hour.

 

[Candleflame]

I 100% agree. What we do need is "smart grids". The problem is that these should have been planned for over the last 20 to 30 years. However, here in Australia we have been consumed by a hyper-partisan energy debate which has led to complete policy paralysis.

Now people are surprised that renewable energy has become cheaper than coal, but they are even more surprised that we have not planned for energy storage like large scale pumped hydro or lithium-ion. Even our future Model 3s could play a role in grid storage, but this cannot happen overnight.

But it gets even sillier than that. Australia is now looking into small scale nuclear energy again...

Coal in the ground and sun in the air are both free. The difference is that the workers for the mining industry all get money and pay their taxes which is a significant boost to the economy unlike a few lonely engineers who look after solar plants.