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Tesla Model 3 in Australia
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Why even bother keeping it full? For a 12V lead-acid you're talking ~1.5kWh of capacity (or a bit less). Versus 75kWh in the main battery pack, which will be available in all but the most exceptional circumstances. And in those exceptional circumstances the difference between a full 12V and even a halfway discharged one is probably negligible.
A 12V supercapacitor bank would probably do the job just as well?
True, but also across much of Australia heating efficiency is a complete non-issue all year round. Seems like more of a Canada/EU (and NZ) discussion.
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RobDickinson
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True, but also across much of Australia heating efficiency is a complete non-issue all year round. Seems like more of a Canada/EU discussion.
sorry its relevant in NZ.
WoodWombat
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True, but also across much of Australia heating efficiency is a complete non-issue all year round. Seems like more of a Canada/EU (and NZ) discussion.
I live in Melbourne, which represents around 20% of the population of Australia and this morning as I left home it was 0C and there was a heavy frost on the windscreen that had to be melted off. Efficient heating is important.
As to why Tesla uses resistive heating rather than a heat pump to heat their vehicles, it is hard to say, but I know that heat pumps get less efficient as the temperature reduces, and the heat exchangers get more likely to ice up, requiring periodic (automatic) deicing. I know that if I ask for a lot of hot water from my older heat pump hot water system, the heat exchanger can ice up so badly that the entire unit stop working (ice is a great insulator). Many other manufacturers do use reverse cycle heating though, so it must be possible.
Model 3s were also supposed to get smart air suspension...
Full self driving was due 2 years ago...
10K weekly M3 production was due end of 2018...
etc, etc, etc....
RobDickinson
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yep for most of south island NZ and you a heat pump would be more efficient (-10 to 15c range) for somewhere like Canada/Norway perhaps not as its often too cold for it to be as effective
Sorry, I was making my own estimate based on the usual quarterly schedule of roll out that Europe and other locations have experienced. ie more options will open up when the initial limited range demand has been satisfied.
The ATO wouldn’t have a clue & couldn’t do a thing when a log book shows 94% business use, rather than 21%
Yep, heat pumps are definitely more efficient than resistive heating down to 0°C or just below, but at colder temperatures resistive will be more efficient. It would be possible to have both, and switch over to resistive once the outside temperature falls below some level.
The original 2011-12 LEAF has resistive heating and it’s an absolute power hog (I should know, because I’ve got one). But subsequent LEAFs use heat pumps. I think most other BEVs on the market now also use heat pumps for efficiency reasons. It’s quite odd that Tesla doesn’t, given their focus on being the innovator, the BEV technology leader, and their focus on overall efficiency.
WOOOHOOO. P3D+ with white interior. Have a VIN now 5YJ3F7EB7KF517XXX
Homer
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Me too! P3D+ with white. I checked this morning and had no VIN but checked again when I saw this post and now I have 5YJ3F7EB1KF517XXX
apchoo
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Received invoice this morning !
Invoice Date: 23/08/2019
Invoice#: 290
VIN: 5YJ3F7EA2KF4427XX (unchanged)
Build Date: 10/07/2019 (Cap Capricorn confirmed)
Odometer: 10Km
Scheduled delivery date: 17 Sept 2019 (unchanged so far ... touch wood)
!Invoice Date: 23/08/2019
Invoice#: 290
VIN: 5YJ3F7EA2KF4427XX (unchanged)
Build Date: 10/07/2019 (Cap Capricorn confirmed)
Odometer: 10Km
Scheduled delivery date: 17 Sept 2019 (unchanged so far ... touch wood)
RobDickinson
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I had one of those at first, vin batch registered ~12th August likely first date for Oz is 20th Sept landed
ME TOO!!
MY VIN DISAPPEARED, NOW I HAVE A DIFFERENT ONE!
P3D-, Midnight Silver, expecting home delivery in Townsville. Reserved 13th Jan 18 and ordered 31st May.
VIN 5YJ3F7EB2KF5036xx
WoodWombat
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Recent Nissan Leafs, Audi E-tron, Jaguar IPace, Mercedes EQC to start. I think that even the new Vauxhall eCorsa uses a reverse cycle system. I think that Tesla is one of the few still using resistive heating, but it may be for a very good reason, since Tesla are also one of the most efficient EVs on the market!
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