[UK] 2022.44

[Tony Hoyle]

I hate to think how buggy/rubbish any matrix functionality will be if they ever get round to writing the software for it

I'm sure they'll work fine in daylight..

 

[Hurricane]

So just standard LED headlamps that have basic on and off functionality then?

I disagree. Matrix lights means they can actually turn off the relevant pixels when in operation, Tesla’s lights can’t do that, ergo, they are not matrix.

Matrix headlights require software and hardware, you can’t have matrix headlights without both. Tesla may have the hardware but they don’t have the software so they aren’t matrix, just LED headlights.

No manufacturer markets or has ever marketed ‘matrix lights’ as anything other than the lights that can actually dim elements of the high beam light pattern to not blind other vehicles when keeping the rest of the high beam on.

Everything else is just a led headlight. Tesla’s headlights are not bad as LED headlights but that doesn’t make them matrix.

They might one say write the software to make them matrix but I wouldn’t hold your breath, until then they are not matrix because they don’t and can’t function as matrix lights.

Absolutely spot on. I think there are a lot of people who do not understand the concept of matrix lights, probably because they have never used them. AHB is not matrix.

There seems to be a presumption that the M3, and presumably other Teslas , now come with matrix lights that are not yet enabled. I haven’t actually seen any hard evidence of this and would be delighted if someone could point me to an authoritative source, not just speculation on a forum. Either way the lights as they function now cannot be described as matrix, and I have zero confidence in Tesla’s ability to provide matrix lights any time soon. They are many years behind the competition.

 

[MP3Mike]

There seems to be a presumption that the M3, and presumably other Teslas , now come with matrix lights that are not yet enabled. I haven’t actually seen any hard evidence of this and would be delighted if someone could point me to an authoritative source, not just speculation on a forum.

Have you not seen the light show where they use the matrix headlights to display/move "TESLA" in front of the car?

 

[Danny_F]

Does anyone else’s lights seem to have shaded lines horizontally going through the main beam pattern? Mine does and it’s very distracting. I mean how hard is it to have a uniform pattern of light?
The AHB worked ok however it still turned off for tight corner chevrons and the light pattern and reach is behind a 2016 4 series with adaptive LED’s.
As I have mentioned before, it clearly shows that Tesla is a very young company in the automotive world as they struggle to achieve the things that consumers take for granted with other manufacturers. Tesla do some things brilliantly, however they have seemed to overlook the simple and important things for pointless and ridiculous features.
I wonder who would give up a fart sound, game or some other frivolous feature for decent headlights, wipers and controls which are intuitive and functional?
Running before being able to walk springs to mind.

 

[goRt]

So just standard LED headlamps that have basic on and off functionality then?

I disagree. Matrix lights means they can actually turn off the relevant pixels when in operation, Tesla’s lights can’t do that, ergo, they are not matrix.

Matrix headlights require software and hardware, you can’t have matrix headlights without both. Tesla may have the hardware but they don’t have the software so they aren’t matrix, just LED headlights.

No manufacturer markets or has ever marketed ‘matrix lights’ as anything other than the lights that can actually dim elements of the high beam light pattern to not blind other vehicles when keeping the rest of the high beam on.

Everything else is just a led headlight. Tesla’s headlights are not bad as LED headlights but that doesn’t make them matrix.

They might one say write the software to make them matrix but I wouldn’t hold your breath, until then they are not matrix because they don’t and can’t function as matrix lights.

We've both told you that you're confused on your understanding
You describe ACTIVE-matrix (a software implementation) as matrix (hardware)
Teslas in the uk have been delivered with matrix headlights for nearly 2 years

It would be a good idea if musky produced a viable release schedule for all software features by country, as the share price continues its plunge there's hope an experienced COO/CEO may take over

 

[MrBadger]

Software version 2022.44.25.20 was just detected as Downloading on a 2021 Tesla Model Y Long Range in Pennsylvania United States. Follow the pending updates at TeslaFi.com Firmware Tracker

Maybe enabling more features for the holidays?

2022.44 .25.1,.2,.3 never looked to have gone really wide release and were a bit too early for proper festive spirit, although still not much traction with .25.30 yet which is later than previous years holiday releases so probably nothing special.

 

[MovingSouth]

2022.44 .25.1,.2,.3 never looked to have gone really wide release

44.25 versions currently on about 80% of Teslafi monitored cars. Looks like a wide release to me.

 

[Cardo]

I’m amazed by just how insistent people are about what “matrix” LED headlights are. As has been pointed out, matrix LED headlights are where a series of LEDs are arranged in a matrix (based, I’m assuming, on the mathematical term). This is simply a hardware arrangement/layout. The term for when they do fancy things such as actively switch off certain LEDs to stop blinding oncoming cars is “active matrix.” The clue is in the name.

Model 3s and Ys in this country have had matrix LED headlights since the tail end of 2020.

Tesla have shown they are able to implement active matrix functionality via the light show, however who knows when or if they will ever enable proper (automotive) active matrix functionality. It would be nice, but I won’t hold my breath.

 

[Adopado]

Maybe they should stop hiring grads who specialise in AI or computer science and start hiring engineers who know how to program automotive headlights.

I don’t know who Tesla has employed. Given how little information comes out from Tesla I’m surprised that you know this.
(I’m interested in these lighting developments but they won’t affect my own car because it doesn’t have that type of lamp.)

 

[Adopado]

Absolutely spot on. I think there are a lot of people who do not understand the concept of matrix lights, probably because they have never used them. AHB is not matrix.

Matrix lights have a specific hardware design where light is from a matrix of pixels. Newer Tesla lights are using a matrix of pixels. Tesla lights are matrix lights. Those are indisputable facts.

Tesla matrix lights do not have adaptive capabilities. They can be full beam or they can be dipped by switching off a fixed block of pixels. Fact.

Tesla lights are not as effective as the type of high definition auto adaptive headlights available from some other brands. Fact.

Tesla never claimed that their lights were auto adaptive beyond the kind of AHB that can be done with non matrix lights.

Everything else in this discussion is opinion and/or speculation.

This thread is supposed to be about software version 2022.44 and none of this is relevant.

 

[Nick77]

This thread is supposed to be about software version 2022.44 and none of this is relevant.

Amen. Tedious.

 

[Mrklaw]

Tesla matrix are a relatively (these days) low resolution 100px Samsung design I think (pixcell) in a Hella unit. primarily the sales material for those units are for ‘global’ firmware allowing for different patterns for different local legal requirements. They don’t seem to push the more advanced vehicle shadowing matrix usage for those. While possible in a basic way, you’d perhaps want a higher resolution for better vehicle blocking.

Would be better than nothing though..

PixCell LED | SAMSUNG LED

One universal solution​

With 100 individually addressable pixels, PixCell LED complies with diverse global regulations and can be applied to headlamps in various countries at lower cost, using minimal software adjustments for desired beam patterns.
The PixCell LED module can be used in low-beam, high-beam, and ADB lighting for different headlamps.

 

[MrBadger]

44.25 versions currently on about 80% of Teslafi monitored cars. Looks like a wide release to me.

Doh! My bad, was looking at the pending installs rather than total installs.

Was just hoping that they would bring something a bit more special than they already have.

 

[Cardo]

Tesla matrix are a relatively (these days) low resolution 100px Samsung design I think (pixcell) in a Hella unit. primarily the sales material for those units are for ‘global’ firmware allowing for different patterns for different local legal requirements. They don’t seem to push the more advanced vehicle shadowing matrix usage for those. While possible in a basic way, you’d perhaps want a higher resolution for better vehicle blocking.

Would be better than nothing though..

PixCell LED | SAMSUNG LED

Their marketing material seems to suggest it could be used for blocking out oncoming cars. Not as fancy as some other brands with much higher pixel densities, but still technically possible. That still requires Tesla to dedicate development hours to it, though…

 

[Durzel]

It’s conceivable that falling demand due to inflation/recession/interest rates could spurn Tesla on to raise their game next year when it comes to this stuff. They did after all add powered boot to the car after it launched, clearly they felt pressured to do so.

It is equally possible that they just double down on trying to increase their margins. The talk of the refreshed Model 3 seems to be all about “reducing complexity” which sounds a lot to me like deleting more parts and hoping enough people will believe that you will deliver the same functionality with cameras (see USS).

 

[goRt]

Tesla matrix are a relatively (these days) low resolution 100px Samsung design I think (pixcell) in a Hella unit. primarily the sales material for those units are for ‘global’ firmware allowing for different patterns for different local legal requirements. They don’t seem to push the more advanced vehicle shadowing matrix usage for those. While possible in a basic way, you’d perhaps want a higher resolution for better vehicle blocking.

Would be better than nothing though..

PixCell LED | SAMSUNG LED

The pixel count is the same as the polestar video I previously posted which copes with up to 5 vehicles

 

[Redbaron73]

Given that Tesla lights aren’t even matrix yet I don’t see how you can even begin to compare the two. Even after the latest updates, which have after more than three years finally improved AHB on my M3, the matrix lights on my A6 are still in a different league. Tesla have still got a long way to go before they get even close.

Tesla are the manufacturer of party tricks, which they seem to prioritise over real world meaningful improvements to their cars.

I’m glad you don’t see how I can compare two cars in my ownership. Thanks for letting me that it would be impossible.

 

[GRiLLA]

Lots of third party chargers now showing in the car.

 

[browellm]

Lots of third party chargers now showing in the car.

Nice, quite a few of those on supported on the Octopus Electroverse app too.

 

[Mr H]

I'm sure they'll work fine in daylight..

fancy a bet......