The fact that it uses old tech - a fob and USS - shows how far Musk has to go in accepting vision is inferior and the app is crappy too. Shame I ordered my Y when I did, as if I had held off a few months, availability of the Ioniq would have made for a different decision I think. Videos like these show that the competition has pulled well ahead.
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[uk] UltraSonic Sensors removal/TV replacement performance
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It is therefore unusable until they disable vision for cars with USS. Radar plays no part at slow speed.
And in any event, this was a vision-only version of Muskware, as shown at the beginning of the Tesla segment.
Edit: other cars - such as the Ioniq - appear to manage sensor conflict perfectly well.
There are US videos on YouTube which say that the perpendicular parking doesn't work unless the car finds a white-lined bay. It won't simply do perpendicular parking between two cars that are already parked that way.
I'd buy this if it wasn't for the fact that other manufacturers deal with the conflict seemingly fine.
Zilla91
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LiamPope
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Imho, it's probably not so much to do with only looking at a small portion of the screen. After all traditional rain sensors that work fine also only operate on a small portion of the screen. It's more to do with the fact the forward driving cameras that are directly behind the glass and looking into the distance cannot possibly focus on rain drops on the screen. All they can 'see' of rain drops on the screen will be some patchy blurring of the image to a varying degree. It must be pretty hard to accurately interpret amount of rainfall based on that. Another example of using the wrong tool for the job and making an easy task difficult!
But I agree, if you are going to insist on using a camera for this task, it would be best to have one some distance away from the screen looking at a large portion of it. But you still need some fancy AI algorithm. Rain sensor just easier and works fine!
Indeed.
I'd have more confidence about the assertion that melding Radar/LIDAR with vision was more trouble than its worth if Tesla weren't also removing other electronics on a whim and either disingenuously claiming that they did so because they weren't used (passenger lumbar) or not saying anything at all (USB data in console).
While I enjoy the technical discussion, I have much more simplistic view on the matter - based on the outcome. For all I care they could use trained monkeys to operate the wipers and high beams. Bottom line is that my $100k+ car still has subpar auto wipers compared to 20 years old $40k Audi or $30k Ford. How could you expect them to achieve something so complex as self driving in the city if they could not figure out the wipers and high beams?!
They should separate the FSD from the EV. FSD is clearly beta and should not be imposed on existing cars in form of Tesla Vision, Object Persistence or any other unproven thing. I would be happy if they downgrade me to V10 and don’t send me any “improvements” until they are proven.
They should separate the FSD from the EV. FSD is clearly beta and should not be imposed on existing cars in form of Tesla Vision, Object Persistence or any other unproven thing. I would be happy if they downgrade me to V10 and don’t send me any “improvements” until they are proven.
With respect, you misunderstand the point of Tesla, and Musk's philosophy on vehicles.
The wipers and high beams aren't meant to allow a human driver to see. They are meant for the vehicle to see. You are superfluous in the engineering mindset of Tesla. Why on earth would you want to SEE? You don't do anything except watch Netflix while the vehicle does all the icky boring driving decision making?
Except for one small niggle. FSD is crap, dangerous and will never work properly. And until the stock market wakes up to that fact, stops treating Tesla like a meme stock and forces a change on Tesla and Musk (or more likely his replacement) we will be stuck with the current dead-end unusable tech.
LiamPope
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I know you're being facetious, but I am always amused by those who unironically justify the poor auto wiper performance by arguing that they are prioritising cleaning the screen for the cameras and not the driver! As if it could somehow be raining differently on the patch of screen in front of the cameras than it is on the patch of screen about a foot away that the driver is trying to see through!
It's because it is programmed for American rain, not European.I know you're being facetious, but I am always amused by those who unironically justify the poor auto wiper performance by arguing that they are prioritising cleaning the screen for the cameras and not the driver! As if it could somehow be raining differently on the patch of screen in front of the cameras than it is on the patch of screen about a foot away that the driver is trying to see through!
Zilla91
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LiamPope
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Makes sense - it rains to the left there. Or is it the other way round?
LiamPope
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Well, unit mixups can bring down rockets, so what chance do auto wipers have?
Don't worry though, when Brexit Britain switches back to imperial, wipers, FSD, etc will all start working!!!
Too bad I moved to Norway - guess I'm stuffed.
You just gotta swipe the center console with a Smith and Wesson or a blue passport, yure gud ta go!
SalisburySam
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If you’ve been asked to sign a disclaimer over USS then you won’t have them, if you’ve not been asked, you should get them.
There are reports that if you log into your Tesla account and then use this url
There’s an attribute about showing the USS disclaimer which most are taking as if Yes, you don’t get them, if No, the car will have USS
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