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Autopilot a fraud? The linked author bets Elon he'll eat a hat if it changes lanes!
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Johan
Ex got M3 in the divorce, waiting for EU Model Y!
I'm serious as cancer. When you make a bet like that publicly you have to follow through. And if you're betting against Tesla and Elon well, you are likely going to loose.
"A Tsunami of hat eating is a'coming".
"A Tsunami of hat eating is a'coming".
jgs
Active Member
I give you this precedent: http://www.ibiblio.org/pjones/ils310/msg00259.html (admittedly not a hat), and this enabling technology: Will It Blend? | Presented by Blendtec
HankLloydRight
No Roads
If this link works its a youtube video where the guy clearly demonstrates lane change with auto pilot. Very interesting.
Tesla Model S P85D Acceleration and Autopilot Demo - Kelley Blue Book - YouTube
Here's another youtube video by consumer reports, states clearly it will change lanes. It shows "Autopilot" in the dash - I'm wondering if this is a test version of the Model S autopilot that somehow they got to test??
Tesla Model S Gets AWD and Autopilot | Consumer Reports - YouTube
Tesla Model S P85D Acceleration and Autopilot Demo - Kelley Blue Book - YouTube
Here's another youtube video by consumer reports, states clearly it will change lanes. It shows "Autopilot" in the dash - I'm wondering if this is a test version of the Model S autopilot that somehow they got to test??
Tesla Model S Gets AWD and Autopilot | Consumer Reports - YouTube
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Personally, I believe auto lane change, auto steering and auto summon will never turn into fruition.
The highway codes of each country will forbid this for the next 10 years or so, especially auto summon.
Safety reasons obviously.
People who turned in their 2012, 13, or early 2014 Model S's just to get these features got "suckered" into buying a new Tesla.
This might not have been intentional by Tesla Motors, but it is now reality.
The highway codes of each country will forbid this for the next 10 years or so, especially auto summon.
Safety reasons obviously.
People who turned in their 2012, 13, or early 2014 Model S's just to get these features got "suckered" into buying a new Tesla.
This might not have been intentional by Tesla Motors, but it is now reality.
JohnSnowNW
Active Member
Speeding is also limited for safety reasons, yet manufacturers leave that to the discretion of owners. I see no reason the same wouldn't apply with auto-pilot features.
jgs
Active Member
Tesla never claimed auto lane change. They claimed lane change under driver control. I guess if you want to call that "auto", you can. As for "auto summon" they were careful to specify that would be only for private property, where highway codes are null and void. I'm kind of skeptical of auto summon anyway, it seems like a low-value gimmick, but I don't think it's going to be prevented by highway code. Finally, as various people have pointed out in the past, auto steering, a.k.a. lane-keeping, has been on the market in some form for years. See for example Lane departure warning system - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (page down to the "Allows unassisted driving under limited conditions" section).
cgiGuy
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mspohr
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Or it could plug him up quite badly... we can only hope that he might need surgery to correct the situation.I imagine he'll be "loose" for quite a few days after ingesting all that plastic.
Auto steering is already implemented on a number of other cars. There is no legal barrier in place.
jeffro01
Active Member
Naw, he'll come up with some loophole or something. That guy hates Tesla, especially Elon, and I am not really sure why...
Jeff
Jeff
*finally* someone who sees the top priority here. I hope the guy has the sense of humor/honor to at least finish off a Nacho Sombrero.
dhanson865
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Well, they have to get it out to a enough cars by Dec 10th to beat the one year deadline Mr. Schmitt set but it is looking likely. Might even be done before Halloween.
I am surprised it took this long though. I expected this months ago.
I am surprised it took this long though. I expected this months ago.
jeffro01
Active Member
The point the Toyota engineer was making is, it can't be done automatically because you have to manually check the mirrors to make sure the lane is clear because the car can't see other cars approaching behind you at high speed on the target lane. That's why the author of that article used the term "automatically" when he made the bet. I don't think he lost the bet.
Theoretically, lets say you are driving at 60 mph and somebody behind you on the target lane is approaching at 90 mph. What would happen if you initiated an autopilot lane change? Very simple. You would get rear ended. The speed difference is 30 mph. That means the Model S wouldn't see the other car until 0.3 seconds before impact because the ultrasonic sensors have only 16 feet range and there is no rear radar. So what happened to changing lanes automatically by tapping the turn signal? It turns out, that's not the only thing you have to do. You also have to manually check the lane. Unfortunately Tesla's advertisement never mentions this and gives a different impression.
Screenshot source: Tesla website Model S page. (The page has changed now)
Screenshot source
When reading these statements many people thought the car can see behind. Some examples:
Tesla test driver: "It's gonna change the lane for me. It looks of course". Source: video at 1:12
CNET: "Highway lane changing is interesting. You can do it by just signalling." Source: video at 2:12
Autolog: "It's got lane change assist. Basically all you have to do to change lanes is just tap the indicator and the car will actually do itself when it's safe to do so." Source: video at 3:42
To be fair, yes the car can see behind but only up to 16 feet. Therefore the following statement on Tesla website yesterday causes even more confusion because it implies the car won't change lanes into oncoming traffic which is not correct. Maybe it is a good idea to tone down the overly ambitious advertisement about autopilot capabilities.
Screenshot source 15 Oct 2015
This topic is similar to P85D 691 horsepower issue. Why exaggerate the achievements? There is no need for this. They could have simply said the P85D has 550 hp or whatever the actual number is. They could have said "semi-automatic lane change" or something similar. Why omit important details? Something similar happened when infinite mileage warranty was the main tagline on Tesla home page. They forgot to mention the warranty doesn't apply to degradation. What people understood was, you could drive as much as you want without worrying about the battery, which is not the case. Somebody at Tesla marketing is overly optimistic on everything. When these details are not clear and you discover them after a while, it creates a surprise but not a good one. People don't forget these kind surprises.
Theoretically, lets say you are driving at 60 mph and somebody behind you on the target lane is approaching at 90 mph. What would happen if you initiated an autopilot lane change? Very simple. You would get rear ended. The speed difference is 30 mph. That means the Model S wouldn't see the other car until 0.3 seconds before impact because the ultrasonic sensors have only 16 feet range and there is no rear radar. So what happened to changing lanes automatically by tapping the turn signal? It turns out, that's not the only thing you have to do. You also have to manually check the lane. Unfortunately Tesla's advertisement never mentions this and gives a different impression.
Screenshot source: Tesla website Model S page. (The page has changed now)
Screenshot source
When reading these statements many people thought the car can see behind. Some examples:
Tesla test driver: "It's gonna change the lane for me. It looks of course". Source: video at 1:12
CNET: "Highway lane changing is interesting. You can do it by just signalling." Source: video at 2:12
Autolog: "It's got lane change assist. Basically all you have to do to change lanes is just tap the indicator and the car will actually do itself when it's safe to do so." Source: video at 3:42
To be fair, yes the car can see behind but only up to 16 feet. Therefore the following statement on Tesla website yesterday causes even more confusion because it implies the car won't change lanes into oncoming traffic which is not correct. Maybe it is a good idea to tone down the overly ambitious advertisement about autopilot capabilities.
Screenshot source 15 Oct 2015
This topic is similar to P85D 691 horsepower issue. Why exaggerate the achievements? There is no need for this. They could have simply said the P85D has 550 hp or whatever the actual number is. They could have said "semi-automatic lane change" or something similar. Why omit important details? Something similar happened when infinite mileage warranty was the main tagline on Tesla home page. They forgot to mention the warranty doesn't apply to degradation. What people understood was, you could drive as much as you want without worrying about the battery, which is not the case. Somebody at Tesla marketing is overly optimistic on everything. When these details are not clear and you discover them after a while, it creates a surprise but not a good one. People don't forget these kind surprises.
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