FSD Beta v11.x

The next big milestone for FSD is 11. It is a significant upgrade and fundamental changes to several parts of the FSD stack including totally new way to train the perception NN.

From AI day and Lex Fridman interview we have a good sense of what might be included.

- Object permanence both temporal and spatial
- Moving from “bag of points” to objects in NN
- Creating a 3D vector representation of the environment all in NN
- Planner optimization using NN / Monte Carlo Tree Search (MCTS)
- Change from processed images to “photon count” / raw image
- Change from single image perception to surround video
- Merging of city, highway and parking lot stacks a.k.a. Single Stack

Lex Fridman Interview of Elon. Starting with FSD related topics.

Here is a detailed explanation of Beta 11 in "layman's language" by James Douma, interview done after Lex Podcast.

Here is the AI Day explanation by in 4 parts.

Deep Understanding Tesla FSD Part 1: HydraNet

From Theory to Reality, Analyze the Evolution of Tesla Full Self-Driving

saneryee-studio.medium.com

Here is a useful blog post asking a few questions to Tesla about AI day. The useful part comes in comparison of Tesla's methods with Waymo and others (detailed papers linked).

Twelve Questions about Tesla Autopilot Technologies Exposed at 2021 AI Day

On Aug. 19 2021, Telsa held an AI day , exposing more technologies about Autopilot , from perception, planning, data labeling, simulation…

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[jebinc]

All your lucky peeps that got V11 1st, better not get 11.3.4 before us loser 69'ers !

But they will; it’s how Tesla rolls. BOHICA.

 

[Ramphex]

it's ok. it wasn't important anyway.

Welp, new least favorite person from MA.

It was a picture of Blue Angels… definitely more important than opinions on how far you should be from the car behind you. But that’s just my opinion.

 

[kabin]

Someone deleted my post on here, and I don’t even know what post it is. This house is a prison!

I hope it wasn't sun n fun. That was my fav.

 

[swedge]

Check me here, from TeslaFi moments ago, at 11:19 am pst.

It looks like a car on 2023.6.8 got down-dated (as opposed to updated) to 2022.45.12.

Have we seen this happen before?

 

[jebinc]

Check me here, from TeslaFi moments ago, at 11:19 am pst.

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It looks like a car on 2023.6.8 got down-dated (as opposed to updated) to 2022.45.12.

Have we seen this happen before?

Yes, I’ve been there. It can happen when someone gets so fed up with FSDb crap, they unenroll from beta via email. Two days later, their car gets pushed the latest production firmware.

 

[kabin]

Check me here, from TeslaFi moments ago, at 11:19 am pst.

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It looks like a car on 2023.6.8 got down-dated (as opposed to updated) to 2022.45.12.

Have we seen this happen before?

Per Chuck's tweet the last entry is likely Chuck's download.

I can't imagine there being much of an improvement without more time to collect/understand issues, redesign, train, etc. It's started to smell like a training data tweak to overfit/favor Chuck's UPL.

 

[FSDtester#1]

Yes, I’ve been there. It can happen when someone gets so fed up with FSDb crap, they unenroll from beta via email. Two days later, their car gets pushed the latest production firmware.

So basically just email [email protected] with your complaints and they send you the latest update ?

 

[jebinc]

Per Chuck's tweet the last is likely Chuck's download.

I can't imagine there being much of an improvement without more time to collect/understand issues, redesign, train, etc. It's started to smell like a training data tweak to favor Chuck's UPL.

Yep, they just can’t spend enough time on Chuck’s ULT; meanwhile, they ignore the year old big bright yellow school bus with flashing red lights, children all around and deployed in the drive path stop sign . Not a priority for the Charlatan. But Chuck, the YT’er, they will jump through their @$$ for. F Chuck. Same for Mars…. Wonderful.

 

[jebinc]

So basically just email [email protected] with your complaints and they send you the latest update ?

Yes, there are instructions. Something like put “unenroll from FSDb” in the subject line. It’s been more than a year since I opted out.

 

[FSDtester#1]

As a community offering, for those that got beta later, here is the email Tesla sent to all of us old testers originally. Yes, their typo at the end is what they sent:

Hello,
We will be pushing FSD Beta Version 10.2 to your vehicle shortly!

Full Self-Driving is in limited early access Beta and must be used with additional caution. It may do the wrong thing at the worst time, so you must always keep your hands on the wheel and pay extra attention to the road. Do not become complacent. When Full Self-Driving Beta is enabled, your vehicle will make lane changes off highway, select forks to follow your navigation route, navigate around other vehicles and objects, and make left and right turns. Use Full Self-Driving Beta only if you will pay constant attention to the road, and be prepared to act immediately, especially around blind corners, crossing intersections, and in narrow driving situations. Every driver is responsible for remaining alert and active when using Autopilot and must be prepared to take action at any time.

As part of receiving FSD Beta, your vehicle has automatically opted into VIN associated telemetry sharing with Tesla, including Autopilot usage data, images and/or video. If you wish to be removed from the limited early access FSD Beta please email [email protected]

Your vehicle is running on Tesla Vision! Note that Tesla Vision also includes some temporary limitations, as noted below:

• Follow distance is limited to 2-7.
• Autopilot top speed is 80 mph.

How to provide feedback:

• Press the "Video Record" button on the top bar UI to send an Autopilot Snapshot video clip.
  • Clips are automatically sent to the engineering team. You will not be able to view the clip.
• You can email your feedback to [email protected].
  • In your email please include date, time, location, and if you took an Autopilot Snapshot. This helps us investigate issues, and better understand your feedback.

Thank,



The Tesla Team

 

[FSDtester#1]

Big push now for new version on teslafi... 152 added to original 5

Edit 800 and counting

 

[Justmurr]

Guess hearing that there’s yet another iteration with 11.3.4…makes me feel a tiny bit better since it’s now obvious that I’m NOT going to have v11 for my 3day road trip that starts in about an hour.

Still peeved though…wanted v11 before today.

 

[swedge]

Yes, I’ve been there. It can happen when someone gets so fed up with FSDb crap, they unenroll from beta via email. Two days later, their car gets pushed the latest production firmware.

This case was the opposite. It was on the current 2023 production build, but appears to have received the 11.3.3 FSD beta, a 2022 version. Note the New Version and Previous Version on the 2nd line.

 

[navels]

yep: version 2022.45.13 count increased from 7 to 303 according to my script

and then: version 2022.45.13 count increased from 303 to 548

and now: version 2022.45.13 count increased from 548 to 796

and finally: version 2022.45.13 count increased from 796 to 1023

 

[Supcom]

This case was the opposite. It was on the current 2023 production build, but appears to have received the 11.3.3 FSD beta, a 2022 version. Note the New Version and Previous Version on the 2nd line.

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A change of policy, perhaps? That would be very welcome to a lot of people.

 

[Supcom]

Above 500 now. A massive rollout. But I'm not burning an update check until I see some 10.x cars updated.

 

[FSDtester#1]

Above 500 now. A massive rollout. But I'm not burning an update check until I see some 10.x cars updated.

Yeah, take your smoke break in a few hours!

 

[Mardak]

I'm not burning an update check until I see some 10.x cars updated

Do it! Almost all of new pending 11.3.4 on Teslascope are from 10.69.x:

2022.45.13 Official Tesla Software Update - Teslascope

The release notes and other metrics for the Tesla software update, 2022.45.13.

teslascope.com

Looks like roughly 15% rollout of FSD Beta fleet but to those not yet on 11.x!

 

[Iain]

Maybe some of us OG testers will be included with this release.

 

[jebinc]

Must be a mass rollout as I just got my download and install notice - no YB’er or Charlatan @$$ Kiss here, either.