FSD Beta v11.x

fasteddie7 · May 27, 2023

Mardak said:
Yup approximately a doubling of the rollout. Pretty quick expansion from initial 3% to 10% now 20% within 24 hours. All coming from previous FSD Beta 11.x although so far no confirmed installations of 11.4.2 on HW4?

I have a HW4 and just got it this morning. Making a comparison video on all my pain spots from 11.4.1 today.

sleepydoc · May 27, 2023

JHCCAZ said:
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There may be those folks, but I'm not one of them and that's not at all what I said.
Eight (simultaneous) cameras obviously have major potential advantages. Several, but not all, have been realized. But the fact remains that point-of-view selection matters. There are many common situations that would be much better served with better camera placement, it's a matter of geometry and obstructions , not of misplaced bias or fuzzy thinking.

Regarding creeping, I think that most rational users can easily see that it's being pushed too far for comfort, and still doesn't solve as many cases as would be possible with a different arrangement. Not hopeless but could be better.

If there were no issues with the legacy camera setup, Tesla would not be working on it at all.

The goal is the same (to safely drive the car) but a human is fundamentally different from a computer with cameras. Both have strengths and weaknesses.

Our roads and laws have evolved around human advantages and disadvantages and now we’re trying to make an electronic system to use them. Not surprisingly the shortcomings of the computer are quite obvious. Human nature is such that we tend to focus on these and miss what the computer does well. What the end product will be remains to be seen but saying ‘a human with 2 eyes can’t be as good as a computer with 8’ or ‘a computer with 8 eyes must be better than a human with only 2’ completely ignores major differences between the two.

sleepydoc · May 27, 2023

n.one.one said:
An important change in 11.4.2 (2023.7.10) is that the suspension is now reduced to one week. It will be interesting to see what yours is. Good luck, and please let us know.

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Good news - I’ve gotten 3-4 unprovoked strikes so I’m getting close to a long term timeout.

PACEMD · May 27, 2023

n.one.one said:
An important change in 11.4.2 (2023.7.10) is that the suspension is now reduced to one week. It will be interesting to see what yours is. Good luck, and please let us know.

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That needs to be reduced to a slap on the hands with a ruler..........

PACEMD · May 27, 2023

sleepydoc said:
A human is fundamentally different from a computer with cameras.

You obviously haven't met my wife..............

rlsd · May 27, 2023

sleepydoc said:
Good news - I’ve gotten 3-4 unprovoked strikes so I’m getting close to a long term timeout.

One month or one week, it does not matter to me. I know how to avoid the strikes now. If you drive at night, buy a pair of eyeglasses. When I drive at night, my eyes don't open wide because of glares and the inside camera thinks I am sleeping. Also the low visibility inside the car at night makes the camera think wrong. I put my eyeglasses on and don't get nags.

bd7349 · May 27, 2023

n.one.one said:
An important change in 11.4.2 (2023.7.10) is that the suspension is now reduced to one week. It will be interesting to see what yours is. Good luck, and please let us know.

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This is nice to see! Wish it was just 24 hours or something though.

LowlyOilBurner · May 27, 2023

Went for a few short drives this morning on 11.4.2. Very little traffic, but I wanted to see how it reacted on unmarked roads. Seems to stay very centered, then moves over for oncoming vehicles at a an appropriate time, not playing chicken with oncoming traffic like it has in the past.

I have one right turn onto a road near me where it stops mid turn for no reason, 11.4.2 still does this, and likely will in other areas I’ve had this issue, but I cannot confirm yet.

Turning from an unmarked road, it’s hogging the opposite lane. If I’m making a left turn, and someone is trying to make a right on the road I’m turning from, my car is blocking their path for the right they are making. Very disrespectful. Now, that being said, there was no other traffic to interact with, so who know what the outcome would be with traffic, my guess is a lot of middle fingers, head shaking and horn blowing, and WTF??? looks.

SarahsDad · May 27, 2023

Just downloaded 11.4.2 and I agree it's better. Still not perfect. A bit slower to accelerate at a green light than before. Still stops at roundabouts. Still needed to tap the go pedal from time to time to avoid honks from behind.

But overall I'd say it's gone from a below average 15 year old with a learner's permit, to an average 15 year old with a learner's permit. Hey, that's progress.

sleepydoc said:
Good news - I’ve gotten 3-4 unprovoked strikes so I’m getting close to a long term timeout.

I too am happy about the reduced suspension penalty for strikes - I have 2 out of 5 - but by my interpretation, even if I get 5, I'm only out of FSD for one week. That seems fair.

rlsd · May 27, 2023

LowlyOilBurner said:
Went for a few short drives this morning on 11.4.2. Very little traffic, but I wanted to see how it reacted on unmarked roads. Seems to stay very centered, then moves over for oncoming vehicles at a an appropriate time, not playing chicken with oncoming traffic like it has in the past.

I have one right turn onto a road near me where it stops mid turn for no reason, 11.4.2 still does this, and likely will in other areas I’ve had this issue, but I cannot confirm yet.

Turning from an unmarked road, it’s hogging the opposite lane. If I’m making a left turn, and someone is trying to make a right on the road I’m turning from, my car is blocking their path for the right they are making. Very disrespectful. Now, that being said, there was no other traffic to interact with, so who know what the outcome would be with traffic, my guess is a lot of middle fingers, head shaking and horn blowing, and WTF??? looks.

What is your FSD setting? Chill, Assertive?

jj3884 · May 27, 2023

n.one.one said:
An important change in 11.4.2 (2023.7.10) is that the suspension is now reduced to one week. It will be interesting to see what yours is. Good luck, and please let us know.

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That's good. I got three strikes for stupid (I'm sorry, I can't use my Nav while FSD engaged??? wtf) reasons within 21 days... now mind you in those 21 days I traveled over 4200 miles (really traveled over 4200 over 4 days, the 17 other days were spent in each location barely driving)

LowlyOilBurner · May 27, 2023

rlsd said:
What is your FSD setting? Chill, Assertive?

Average.

powertoold · May 27, 2023

11.4.2 does a legit U-turn:

swedge · May 27, 2023

While waiting to get my copy of 11.4.2, I wondered what we miss out on due to the older 2023.7 base code versus the 2023.12 base code in the recent release of 11.3.6 to new owners. So I skimmed through the release notes. Here are items in the USA version of 2023.12 which appear to be absent in 2023.7 This is from this page, where one can view the descriptions of the new features: FSD Beta 11.3.6 (2023.12.10) Official Tesla Release Notes - Software Updates

There are quite a few missing features, but none are worth forgoing 11.4.2 at this point. I do look forward to the ones I'm marked with an asterisk.

I expect this is not entirely accurate, but it looks like 2023.12 was a significant polishing of the basic user interface.

*Phone Call Controls
*Text Size
Scroll Wheel Customization
Controls Search
*Gear Chimes
Passenger Seat Controls
Points of Interest
Voice Recognition Languages
Get to Know Your Tesla
Rename Vehicle in App
Improvements to Automatic Emergency Braking
Parked Visualization
*Speedometer Font
*Nav Improvements
Favorite Songs
Adjust Wiper Speed
Tesla Theater Icons
App Drawer
New Labels
*Charging Screen
Data Sharing
Track Mode

jebinc · May 27, 2023

LowlyOilBurner said:
Went for a few short drives this morning on 11.4.2. Very little traffic, but I wanted to see how it reacted on unmarked roads. Seems to stay very centered, then moves over for oncoming vehicles at a an appropriate time, not playing chicken with oncoming traffic like it has in the past.

I have one right turn onto a road near me where it stops mid turn for no reason, 11.4.2 still does this, and likely will in other areas I’ve had this issue, but I cannot confirm yet.

Turning from an unmarked road, it’s hogging the opposite lane. If I’m making a left turn, and someone is trying to make a right on the road I’m turning from, my car is blocking their path for the right they are making. Very disrespectful. Now, that being said, there was no other traffic to interact with, so who know what the outcome would be with traffic, my guess is a lot of middle fingers, head shaking and horn blowing, and WTF??? looks.

Booooo

D Good · May 27, 2023

So are we at a 20% rollout right now? Still on 11.3.6. Has anyone been upgraded from .3.6 to ..4.2 yet?

jebinc · May 27, 2023

D Good said:
So are we at a 20% rollout right now? Still on 11.3.6. Has anyone been upgraded from .3.6 to ..4.2 yet?

I have been upgraded.

totoro722 · May 27, 2023

D Good said:
So are we at a 20% rollout right now? Still on 11.3.6. Has anyone been upgraded from .3.6 to ..4.2 yet?

Yes, mine updated this morning

loquitur · May 27, 2023

FSDtester#1 said:
Agreed, and the only workaround seems for the car to angle itself more to get a better view from the B pillar while creeping

The points raised are good -- so are there FSDb demo videos showing that this is what happens?

In cities there are plenty of situations where parked cars obscure things, as well as the bushes
mentioned. And, if this is a known design flaw, why haven't camera positions changed and/or
added with the HW4 refresh, good for millions of cars going forward? I'd think that we would
hear from some disgruntled ex-Tesla engineer that it is an oversight, er, "undersight" in this case.
At least it's covered in the FSDb notes up front, i.e. "be prepared to act immediately, especially
around blind corners".

I imagine that there is another, freaky way of ameliorating this as I have done a few times in
life -- high-speed reverse to undo overcreep into cross-traffic.

PACEMD · May 27, 2023

jebinc said:
I have been upgraded.

You mean junk graded don't you?

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