FSD Beta v11.x

The next big milestone for FSD is 11. It is a significant upgrade and fundamental changes to several parts of the FSD stack including totally new way to train the perception NN.

From AI day and Lex Fridman interview we have a good sense of what might be included.

- Object permanence both temporal and spatial
- Moving from “bag of points” to objects in NN
- Creating a 3D vector representation of the environment all in NN
- Planner optimization using NN / Monte Carlo Tree Search (MCTS)
- Change from processed images to “photon count” / raw image
- Change from single image perception to surround video
- Merging of city, highway and parking lot stacks a.k.a. Single Stack

Lex Fridman Interview of Elon. Starting with FSD related topics.

Here is a detailed explanation of Beta 11 in "layman's language" by James Douma, interview done after Lex Podcast.

Here is the AI Day explanation by in 4 parts.

Deep Understanding Tesla FSD Part 1: HydraNet

From Theory to Reality, Analyze the Evolution of Tesla Full Self-Driving

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Here is a useful blog post asking a few questions to Tesla about AI day. The useful part comes in comparison of Tesla's methods with Waymo and others (detailed papers linked).

Twelve Questions about Tesla Autopilot Technologies Exposed at 2021 AI Day

On Aug. 19 2021, Telsa held an AI day , exposing more technologies about Autopilot , from perception, planning, data labeling, simulation…

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[jebinc]

I'm assuming you're posting this because its an example of "unbiased news" sensationalizing a biased report from WaPo.
Also assuming it can't be to show how bad autopilot is, because 700 accidents in billions of miles of driving seems to be significantly better than without autopilot.

Just sharing, given all of the FSD “better/worse than human” dialog today. To each…

 

[EVNow]

Streaming now…

Hit Job. Discussed multiple times.

 

[EVNow]

I wish this thread existed when I wasted money on FSD. I would’ve instead bought Tesla stocks so I could be a *snippy racist part removed*

I bought TSLA in 2011. See my sig.

 

[EVNow]

Still waiting for the people who don’t like the #JunkTeam to justify to me how all of those actions are not junky.

Why should we ? Nobody is claiming FSD is perfect.

See YT for all the good videos. We are not asking you to justify those.

I can also make many such videos of FSD making mistakes. I still use it all the time and don't run around like a mad man shouting junk.

 

[SSDTester#1]

I’m such a Tesla fan, that I also have 3 powerwalls.

I do NOT have their Solar though, because their customer service is outright pure garbage. Doesn’t mean I don’t like their products.

 

[SSDTester#1]

You would be if you spent time in the 21th century rather than being in middle ages.

I feel like my FSDj version is from the Middle Ages

 

[jebinc]

Has anyone a report on 11.4.3?

 

[SSDTester#1]

Has anyone a report on 11.4.3?

I feel like you’re one of 2 or 3 people that have mentioned that they got it in this thread.

 

[jebinc]

I feel like you’re one of 2 or 3 people that have mentioned that they got it in this thread.

Right, but I can’t be bothered to try this version today. I’ve filled my disappointment quota for the day.

 

[aronth5]

I've been a forum member for a long time and for the first time since 2010 I'm just not going to reply anymore to the junkiness posts until this thread gets back on topic. It was humorous for awhile and I suspect some are just having fun at the expense of others but it's gotten old.

Hoping to get v11.4.3 so we can move on.

 

[kabin]

I was sitting at a left turn red light when j11.4.2 tried to run it. I felt 160% safer than all the other cars in the left lane AFTER I disengaged FSDj.

 

[SSDTester#1]

I was sitting at a left turn red light when j11.4.2 tried to run it. I felt 160% safer than all the other cars in the left lane AFTER I disengaged FSDj.

My man with the clutch

 

[lascavarian]

seems like a lot more 11.4.3 version coming out.

 

[SSDTester#1]

seems like a lot more 11.4.3 version coming out.

Same amount as earlier today

 

[Bet TSLA]

Except all the examples provided here, anecdotally (I speak for myself) can pretty easily be reproduced by someone else. It's not as if I'm talking about an edge case and people are screaming, "Noooo, phantom braking isn't a thing on Teslas!" As stated, - it was my own experience, so obviously I'm speaking for myself, and I don't even deny that other manufacturers may experience phantom braking on their cars. But, - how about a bet that at least historically Teslas experienced it more than any other car? Or how about current Teslas have the worst parking sensors (i.e. zero useful) of any car in this price range? This isn't anecdotal, - this is just pure fact. As @Ramphex stated, we're not getting working FSD that's safer than an average human in our cars' lifetime. People here are 100% delusional if they think that's true. This wouldn't bother me if we hadn't spent thousands upon thousands of dollars on this software, as the journey would be enjoyable without being conned - but let's get this clear, - it was and is a con.

When I bought my Model 3 in 2019 (and yes, I was late to the FSD party even then!), FSD was promised to be coming later that year. We all know how this went... Somehow I was stupid enough to buy FSD in 2021 (and 2022 after my buyback).

I'll say it again, - nobody here is getting FSD safer than a human driver in their current car's lifetime. Nobody. Now, does that mean that FSD isn't impressive in some ways? Of course not. I find it fascinating, - but it's not what's been promised, it's never going to be on this hardware, and the fact that we handed over a ton of money for it is just the cherry on top of this cake of misery.

You are far less credible than Elon. While he has always been wrong, you are not reasoning from any actual facts or knowledge.

It's completely obvious that if AGI is achieved then better than human FSD appears as a relatively trivial side-effect. Many of the subject matter experts believe AGI is coming with the useful lifetime of our vehicles. Somehow, you know different. And stridently!

 

[fasteddie7]

HW4 tear down shows the radar units are indeed present. Wonder if this will be used to improve FSD or be implemented to somehow act as an addition sensor.

 

[jebinc]

Looks like “Black Tesla” has a new 11.4.3 out (Refreshed MS). Seems like this version has as many annoying issues as 11.4.2

Watch the video for the good, bad and junky. There’s something in this video for everyone!

 

[SSDTester#1]

HW4 tear down shows the radar units are indeed present. Wonder if this will be used to improve FSD or be implemented to somehow act as an addition sensor.

Radar is back?! Hahahah

 

[fasteddie7]

Radar is back?! Hahahah

yeah, we all suspected it was there but green just took apart his to confirm.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1668440663157817345

 

[LSDTester#1]

Radar is back?! Hahahah

Hope not. Last mobile service I had, the tech pulled it out.