FSD Beta v11.x

The next big milestone for FSD is 11. It is a significant upgrade and fundamental changes to several parts of the FSD stack including totally new way to train the perception NN.

From AI day and Lex Fridman interview we have a good sense of what might be included.

- Object permanence both temporal and spatial
- Moving from “bag of points” to objects in NN
- Creating a 3D vector representation of the environment all in NN
- Planner optimization using NN / Monte Carlo Tree Search (MCTS)
- Change from processed images to “photon count” / raw image
- Change from single image perception to surround video
- Merging of city, highway and parking lot stacks a.k.a. Single Stack

Lex Fridman Interview of Elon. Starting with FSD related topics.

Here is a detailed explanation of Beta 11 in "layman's language" by James Douma, interview done after Lex Podcast.

Here is the AI Day explanation by in 4 parts.

Deep Understanding Tesla FSD Part 1: HydraNet

From Theory to Reality, Analyze the Evolution of Tesla Full Self-Driving

saneryee-studio.medium.com

Here is a useful blog post asking a few questions to Tesla about AI day. The useful part comes in comparison of Tesla's methods with Waymo and others (detailed papers linked).

Twelve Questions about Tesla Autopilot Technologies Exposed at 2021 AI Day

On Aug. 19 2021, Telsa held an AI day , exposing more technologies about Autopilot , from perception, planning, data labeling, simulation…

yuhuang-63908.medium.com

 

[kabin]

More junk and more delays. I suspect 11.3.3 is not long for this world based on early reports.

V11.3.2 might have been the better witches brew.

 

[Mark II]

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Sorry to tell you, your manufacturer build only integrated into mainline 2023.2.12, so you won't get current release of FSDb. May as well upgrade to mainline and wait until the next FSDb release.

 

[PACEMD]

Any NC resident can test v11 for me at this spot to see if it fails there?

Sorry, not helpful, but this does remind me how badly Capitol Blvd. sucks, out loud, all day long, twice on Sunday........first really bad traffic we had in Raleigh, going back to the 70s.........

 

[David 4893]

Sorry to tell you, your manufacturer build only integrated into mainline 2023.2.12, so you won't get current release of FSDb. May as well upgrade to mainline and wait until the next FSDb release.

Can you elaborate? I’m on 2022.44.100 too and I thought since the number is lower than 2022.45.11 (or today’s 2022.45.12) that my car would update to latest FSD build. How is manufacturer build slotted into the other builds. Us new owners want to play your FSD games too.

 

[Mark II]

Can you elaborate? I’m on 2022.44.100 too and I thought since the number is lower than 2022.45.11 (or today’s 2022.45.12) that my car would update to latest FSD build. How is manufacturer build slotted into the other builds. Us new owners want to play your FSD games too.

Any build ending in three digits, e.g. 100, 101, 200, etc. is a manufacture build that your car comes with. This build usually contains changes specific to some new parts in your car. Those changes need to integrate into the mainline build, which would normally be the next major build after the current mainline. In this case your build is based on 2022.44.x (Year 2022 Week 44). The next mainline major build was 2032.2.x (Year 2023 Week 2).

The 2022.45.x build is a special build of mainline 2022.44 specific for FSDb. So there is no way your manufacture build would "upgrade" to any build other than the next major one that you are based on, i.e. 2023.2.x or later.

Hope that helps.

 

[David 4893]

Very well articulated, thanks. I’ll continue to patiently wait until FSD catches up with 2023.2 then.
p.s. actually not patient, but no choice.

 

[jebinc]

11.3.3

 

[Supcom]

Over 100 more cars just added to 2022.45.12 rollout on Teslafi.

 

[jebinc]

Over 100 more cars just added to 2022.45.12 rollout on Teslafi.

Really? That’s shocking, given the reports that .3 is worse than .2.

 

[swedge]

Over 100 more cars just added to 2022.45.12 rollout on Teslafi.

Thanks for the heads-up on these! Do you have a bot monitoring this?

Still not quite enough to update all of the 2022.45.11 cars. So this is not a widening of the 11 rollout, yet.

 

[JB47394]

Still not quite enough to update all of the 2022.45.11 cars. So this is not a widening of the 11 rollout, yet.

I don't know how accurate it is, but according to "Not a Tesla App",

11.3.2 (2022.45.11) has 238 installs with 55 pending
11.3.3 (2022.45.12) has 317 installs with 116 pending

That suggests that they're expanding the rollout - assuming the site's numbers are meaningful.

 

[JHCCAZ]

Really? That’s shocking, given the reports that .3 is worse than .2.

I don't reach that conclusion from looking at YouTubes and a few comments. If you're looking for trouble, you will find it FSDb. But the noise filtered reading seems to be that it's a fairly solid build.

 

[Rikster]

From looking at Teslafi, it still looks like all of the downloads of 11.3.3 are going to cars coming from 11.3.2, so I don't think there are any new testers being given access to 11.3.3. I could be mistaken, though (and hope that I am).

 

[roborob]

In the city (Toronto), 11.3.2 seemed like a pretty obvious step back from .69. More jerky / pause-y. I have 11.3.3 waiting for download but unlikely this will be usable in TO without major tweaks.

 

[kabin]

Per Teslafi V11.3.3 looks like a slow ramp up. I think yesterday was ~400 and so far today they may have added an extra ~150.

 

[LowlyOilBurner]

So, see attached. I’ve been tracking this since 10.2 or .3, whatever. This is my neighbors driveway, it’s like a mile long, and at this same spot every time FSDb throws up this error. Essentially, it’s an unmarked rural road (but, it’s a driveway). Never makes it past this curve. Figure I’d post a pic, since it’s been almost two years of failures. It’s gotta be map data that doesn’t allow this to work, as my road I live on, pretty much looks just like this, only a bit wider, and FSDb drives it just fine. Who knows?

 

[Dewg]

So, see attached. I’ve been tracking this since 10.2 or .3, whatever. This is my neighbors driveway, it’s like a mile long, and at this same spot every time FSDb throws up this error. Essentially, it’s an unmarked rural road (but, it’s a driveway). Never makes it past this curve. Figure I’d post a pic, since it’s been almost two years of failures. It’s gotta be map data that doesn’t allow this to work, as my road I live on, pretty much looks just like this, only a bit wider, and FSDb drives it just fine. Who knows?

Is GPS pin-point accurate on the that driveway?

 

[aronth5]

More junk and more delays. I suspect 11.3.3 is not long for this world based on early reports.

I'd say likely the opposite. Most reports I've seen have been positive and a second small release has gone out already.

 

[gsmith123]

Wonder if we'll see a push to FDS Beta vehicles on 10.x releases overnight... If 11.3.3 is minor changes maybe they've gotten enough validation in the past day?

 

[jebinc]

I'd say likely the opposite. Most reports I've seen have been positive and a second small release has gone out already.

I hope that’s the case. Not many good reports in FB groups that I frequent.