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As was using cruise control in any of my previous cars ( no trailer either ) in the snow.Using Autopilot on a snowy canyon road while Towing. Seriously sounds like a bad idea in any vehicle. No Thanks.
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As was using cruise control in any of my previous cars ( no trailer either ) in the snow.Using Autopilot on a snowy canyon road while Towing. Seriously sounds like a bad idea in any vehicle. No Thanks.
Thanks. I already have. The first time it breaked hard with a load of lumber on the trailer was when I reported it. Thanks again.Consider reporting this to www.nhtsa.gov, the National Highway Traffic Safety Agency, they have an open investigation of "phantom braking".
I requested it be moved, a mod for the subforum it was in agreed with me. The subforum its now in is called "AI, AUTOPILOT and FSD". Your complaint is about autopilot. Specifically, about using autopilot while towing something on snowy roads.So someone inappropriately moved this to the FSD category here. HOWEVER, as the original poster here, I don't own FSD. This is NOT about FSD! Stop it.
While I don't agree with the OP's use case, I do believe this should be an option. It is silly and unfortunate that it wouldn't be. Every other car I've driven with assist features like variable cruise control has the ability to turn this off and act like "dumb" cruise control. That may be what the driver wants.You aren't getting dumb cruise control. Rant, or no rant, it will never happen
Nobody has pointed out yet that Autopilot is not designed to be used on undivided highways where traffic is coming at you from the other way or turning across the lane ahead of you. An argument can be made that Tesla shouldn't allow you to enable it in those locations, but they do. And, as you've found, you're going to get more phantom braking incidents as a result.Also coming around a corner in the Walker River Canyon as we approach a truck (18 wheeler dry box) coming the other way and the Y suddenly and unexpectedly hits the f***ing brakes hard. There was no reason for this. If anything it's a sure way to loose control on a slick road and go into the river, and die, not because of the truck, which did nothing wrong, but because of the Y which thinks it's pants are smarty pants, when in fact it's really a very dumb and dangerous car.
Or when an oncoming car safely turns left, crossing my lane far in-front of me, the Y screams for help like a baby, and brakes hard like a, .... wait for it ... a nervous Nelly.
I think he was using only TACC.Nobody has pointed out yet that Autopilot is not designed to be used on undivided highways where traffic is coming at you from the other way or turning across the lane ahead of you. An argument can be made that Tesla shouldn't allow you to enable it in those locations, but they do. And, as you've found, you're going to get more phantom braking incidents as a result.
Auto stuff .I heard this a.m. that author Steven King owns his 2nd Tesla, but won't use the auto stuff either.
So, like auto stuff would be a chinese milker, but instead I guess King is into "manual stuff" on his own??Auto stuff .
With intelligence, stupidity comes alongBecause of it's utter stupidity I've decided to rename my Y: Nervous Nelly.
The next step will be to sell it.
In cruse control (aka: whatever they call it) it drives like a stupid child with bad eyesight. I can't even count the number of times it's braked for no reason. It is only a matter of time till it harms me or my girl, as someone plows into me, or it shakes loose the cargo in my trailer and causes the person behind harm, or we skid off the icy road because of it's stupid programming. Each time I've reported the bug, but it doesn't fix anything.
My gal is already scared and very annoyed by my new car. What kind of car is that for a guy to have, one that scares his gal? That's stupid.
I hasten to say that: We also have a Model 3 and a Nissan Leaf. They don't do this. But the Model Y has me so annoyed that I'm almost ready to sell it!
I love that it's electric. Electric was the ONLY reason I bought it. I didn't want the self driving junk, but I have no option. I'm considering putting black tape over the cameras at this point.
But the Y comes with this stupid, dumb computer that thinks it's much smarter than it is, and that hits the brakes for no reason at all. There is no excuse for it!!!!!!!
I'm so very angry at the Y at this point.
For example, multiple times on a straight two lane road, in full daylight, with no cars either ahead of me or behind me for a mile, I'm driving along and suddenly the car F***ing hits the brakes. WTF?
I call it Sudden Unexplained Braking (SUB), as in: a sub-par car.
Also coming around a corner in the Walker River Canyon as we approach a truck (18 wheeler dry box) coming the other way and the Y suddenly and unexpectedly hits the f***ing brakes hard. There was no reason for this. If anything it's a sure way to loose control on a slick road and go into the river, and die, not because of the truck, which did nothing wrong, but because of the Y which thinks it's pants are smarty pants, when in fact it's really a very dumb and dangerous car.
Or when an oncoming car safely turns left, crossing my lane far in-front of me, the Y screams for help like a baby, and brakes hard like a, .... wait for it ... a nervous Nelly.
I'm all for artificial intelligence, believe me, I helped make the Silicon Valley AI Forum into a non-profit like 20+ some years ago.
But my Y doesn't have AI. What can be accurately said is that it has AS: Artificial Stupidity.
Here is what's going on I think:
For many decades AI guys have been promising results. They think they are so smart. Top of their class. And they have to tell their boss that it's possible. So they lean into their argument and promise their boss the world, but in reality knowing they don't know if they can deliver it or not.
Over and over, over many decades, AI has promised, but not delivered all that was promised. It's a very old game to those of us have been involved with AI over the decades. So these guys told Elon they could deliver AI driven cars, but the reality is: it was a promise they should have known that would not hold up.
Anyone who has been around AI for a few decades has seen just how hard AI is.
We are not there, and the truth is: we aren't even close to having a safe, AI driven car.
Would I even consider, at this point, buying the Tesla FSD software? No way, no how. Are you kidding? Why would I buy more "advanced" software, when the simple stuff won't even work correctly?
Just please give me the option to select simple, dumb, cruse control.
And then have your boys continue to play with the AI stuff on their own cars. Someday in 50 years or so perhaps they will get something as good as a teenager which can really distinguish what is needed to safely drive a car smoothly, that will impress me rather than scare. I might buy one.
I've been meaning to rant on this for quite awhile, but have been busy with work. But now that the snow is here, this is more of a life or death issue.
So to all of you who will down play my comments, please come here and drive the Walker River canyon towing a trailer in a Y in snow conditions, and tell me that it doesn't scare the crap out of you too.
Stephen King. Another one who promises thrills and delivers cheap mediocrity.I heard this a.m. that author Steven King owns his 2nd Tesla, but won't use the auto stuff either.
Autopilot = Rose MadderStephen King. Another one who promises thrills and delivers cheap mediocrity.
I heard this a.m. that author Steven King owns his 2nd Tesla, but won't use the auto stuff either.
I think people would be less snippy when posters looking for suggestions or to vent aren't so intractable wrt to their position. "I've always done it this way" just sounds a bit silly when you replay it in your head. No debate Autopilot/FSD need improvements, and it's good to hear anecdotes from others (from my perspective anyhow), but not when they're anchored in unsafe behavior or unrealistic expectations.Autopilot = Rose Madder
FSD Beta = The Stand
Future FSD = The Gunslinger
Also, RIP so many snippy posts here.
If the driver wanted a dumb cruise control, then the driver should buy a car with dumb cruise control. Tesla does not offer it and it goes against the entire design philosophy of the car, which is to make it more automated, not less.While I don't agree with the OP's use case, I do believe this should be an option. It is silly and unfortunate that it wouldn't be. Every other car I've driven with assist features like variable cruise control has the ability to turn this off and act like "dumb" cruise control. That may be what the driver wants.