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Wiki Sudden Loss Of Range With 2019.16.x Software
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Don't be fobbed off, back in January I charged at a supercharger from 11% to 96%, and added 49kWh (58kWh usable), in late may I supercharged from 7% to 94%, and added 47kWh (54kWh usable). Teslafi is now telling me in June I have 52kW usable left !.. Rated miles (UK) dropped from 229 to 206.
St Charles
Tesla, not TSLA!
Has anyone with reported range loss attempted a roadtrip to see if the loss is real or just an error in reporting?
Thanks for reporting, and my sincerest condolences. As a 2013 S60 owner and 2012 S85 Signature owner, I had long since assumed Tesla was ignoring my cars, save for some poorly-tested video games that don't run well on the older hardware (despite emulating a system 100,000x slower than the CPU in the car) and have decided to stop updating. I just wish I was back on the 8.0 version.
It's my public opinion that the Tesla software engineering department has all but fired their QA team, and they are now adding functionality that only serves Tesla, and not me. To candy-coat things, we are now being given gags and video games but nothing particularly useful. I went to 9.0 because of the video game thing and feel like a fool for it. 8.0 to 8.1 was to make all the blue lakes gray and do some other data-limiting tricks to cut down on their AT&T bill.
Perhaps I'm not in the best mood, but am I wrong to suspect Tesla is doing this to get people to sell their old vehicles sooner?
This isn't the first time Tesla has done this. back in 2014, I recall they did an update that padded the bottom end a little more to prevent bricking, because certain owners were pushing it and driving to full discharge. I felt fine about that, but a 10% drop is manipulative. I am OK with buying a new battery in a few years, especially with the Maxwell Technologies improvements coming.
Let this be a lesson to all hiring managers: when you hire enough people from Apple, you get their corporate culture of treating owners like sheep.
faughtz
Model S P85DL
Look at posts 61 and 65 earlier in the thread. And all the battery data that has been posted earlier in the thread.
St Charles
Tesla, not TSLA!
Yes, I saw that. And to be extra clear, I am not challenging you on anything. I'm just curious if you have driven 100%-1% to see if the range loss is real.
I can confirm the range loss is real and not like Tesla is saying a better calculation.
DJRas
Member
Yes, it is real loss.
Not only that but I cannot charge to 100%. At 96% the charge power drops to 1to 2 kW (4 to 10 miles range per hour) to get the last 7 miles. I did this at SC on Friday evening and home charging Sunday night.
I also was concerned about the bottom end and drove this weekend until 4 miles remained (0.8 kWh available). With 340 Wh/mi average for that charge cycle (97% to 1.3%). This is within my nominal range for the uphill portion of my drive.
BrokerDon
Active Member
What is the best Apple iOS or web app to use to ascertain if my Ludicrous 2015 P85D's usable kW ???
Brass Guy
Active Member
It already was. It's commonly referred to as "Daily charge limit," or between 50% and 90%.
The range loss due to the update is not normal degradation. It is a deliberate restriction after the car was purchased. This in no way should be acceptable. After owning a car for over 6 years only to have the range decreased by 30 miles in some cases by an update should be criminal, and then only to have Tesla lie and say that it's normal. It decreases the value of the car and restricts travel distance.
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faughtz
Model S P85DL
If you’re talking about battery capacity in kWh, use TM Spy with an OB connected. PowerTools will show kW with no addl hardware.
It's real because we can see the average cell voltage when charging is complete and it's lower...sometimes a lot lower than it would be for the equivalent SOC. For example, 90% would be just about 4.08 volts but some are seeing 4 or even 3.9s for 90%.
Agree, crazy, unacceptable, I'm at near the same miles available at 90% as I was at 80%.
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