You could but Tesla would not release any specific information to anybody but the owner or record (their record! )Could you contact Tesla with the VIN and see what they say about the vehicle?
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You could but Tesla would not release any specific information to anybody but the owner or record (their record! )Could you contact Tesla with the VIN and see what they say about the vehicle?
I'd make vroom to update the car and email pictures of updated screens with FSD.I'm in the process of purchasing a used 2017 Model X from vroom as well, and reading through all the 30 pages I believe I will have to have a serious talk with vroom verifying the FSD before taking delivery. I asked the Vroom rep to email me the picture of the software menu where it shows FSD and Premium connection as included in package, but the car's software was still on 2020.20.17 which is about 4 months old and the current update (2020.48.12.1) is ready to be installed.
My point is if I have them update the car's software and the FSD/Premium connection still remains after the update, then I should be good to go and it will transfer to me?
On Vroom's website where the car is listed they do have a screenshot of the NoA/Summons enabled. Would Vroom be liable if that feature were to be removed after I take ownership of the car?
Thanks.
You could but Tesla would not release any specific information to anybody but the owner or record (their record! )
...I'm emailing the Vroom people to make sure it will come with FSD.
Sometimes they don’t even release to the current owner..Definately get written confirmation from seller, not just 2nd or 3rd hand passed on by them. The point is that they are valuing / selling the car based on given specification and that is the basis of your contract with them.
Although not likely, Tesla can try and change the spec at any time, potentially leaving you to fight your case with Tesla too. In such a case, having a Tesla document confirming the spec would simplify things but I think Tesla will refuse to release any info on the car except to the current owner. Maybe they would disclose to vroom. In that case you would be making it a condition of purchase that vroom obtain and pass on to you confirmation that this vehicle has and will retain whatever features you are concerned about.
An e-mail or a picture of the Brooklyn bridge is not legal proof that I own it.
Emails and screenshots are not proof of purchase when Tesla might take your FSD away justifiably or erroneously.
Tesla will ask for proof of purchase. If FSD was purchased, it would be documented on a sale receipt. If it's from Tesla, it's called "Motor Vehicle Purchase Agreement". If it's purchased later, there should be an invoice as proof too.
...Vroom claiming to sell you FSD is enough...
OK, let me add my situation. I am currently in the process of buying a 2018 Model 3 from Vroom. There is a screenshot of the FSD in the listing and the car is on the latest software version. The Carfax report shows one owner, no auction, but does say "Dealer took title of this vehicle while it was in inventory."
Does that seem any more (or less) at risk of losing FSD? I am only interested in it if it has the FSD.
You could but Tesla would not release any specific information to anybody but the owner or record (their record! )
and the car is on the latest software version.
I just experienced this. Purchased a 2017 MX from vroom. Pics showed EAP included. As a person new to Tesla I was not aware of the history. Car was delivered still had EAP for the almost full 72 hours it took them to add the car to my account and viola. EAP gone. The original sales sticker/tag was in the glove box that had EAP as part of the original configuration. I do think this was a lease vehicle at one point. I can see both sides of this argument. If there is a way to get it back great, but from I’ve been reading in this thread, that’s unlikely. I was pleasantly surprised that it came with premium sound and subzero so...you win some, you lose some.
Welcome to Tesla. Feels great, yeah?I just experienced this. Purchased a 2017 MX from vroom. Pics showed EAP included. As a person new to Tesla I was not aware of the history. Car was delivered still had EAP for the almost full 72 hours it took them to add the car to my account and viola. EAP gone. The original sales sticker/tag was in the glove box that had EAP as part of the original configuration. I do think this was a lease vehicle at one point. I can see both sides of this argument. If there is a way to get it back great, but from I’ve been reading in this thread, that’s unlikely. I was pleasantly surprised that it came with premium sound and subzero so...you win some, you lose some.
EAP stays with the car unless Tesla took ownership of it at some point. Did Vroom advertise the car as having EAP?I just experienced this. Purchased a 2017 MX from vroom. Pics showed EAP included. As a person new to Tesla I was not aware of the history. Car was delivered still had EAP for the almost full 72 hours it took them to add the car to my account and viola. EAP gone. The original sales sticker/tag was in the glove box that had EAP as part of the original configuration. I do think this was a lease vehicle at one point. I can see both sides of this argument. If there is a way to get it back great, but from I’ve been reading in this thread, that’s unlikely. I was pleasantly surprised that it came with premium sound and subzero so...you win some, you lose some.
Totally agree! Tesla (as a company) will do whatever benefits them most at this moment - remove already paid and/or endlessly delay promised/prepaid features, resist fixing multiple quality issues, ignore customer's request fix faulty equipment (aka MCU memory and yellow screen issues), etc., UNTIL after they will be tried in the court and the record will be set straight from now and on.I'm pretty sure we haven't heard the last of these types of situations yet. It has only become possible in the last few years to be able to change your car's configuration over the air. So it has got to be tried in the courts to figure out just who belongs to these properties. Do they stay with the car associated with the VIN number, or do they stay with the previous owner. Or if they are just an arbitrary thing that Tesla always owns as a subscription and can take it back or Grant it at any time a vehicle changes hands from one owner to the next.
Imagine those that paid $5,000 or more for full self driving on cars that they no longer own because full self driving never came to fruition the entire time they had the vehicle. Many owners have since moved on to another vehicle do they still have full self driving? Did it move with them to their next vehicle? Or did it remain with the VIN number of the vehicle that they sold or traded? This is going to be interesting I've got my popcorn ready.