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UK FSD Discussion
- Thread starter Buckminster
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A months trial of not much as it stands, is unlikely to open the floodgates of orders for FSD.
Those of you without USS won’t get summon but at least Autopark may work and in the right circumstances, auto lane change may choose to work.
Over and above EAP, all it will do is stop at traffic lights (or anything else it perceives to be traffic lights)
Unless the trial is going to be preceded by a major improvement, all you’ll get is proof it ain’t worth buying
Ah, apologies; “for all” was perhaps a bit generous - for all with later hardware revisions may well be much more accurate. I’m new to Tesla but learning that there are some distinct hardware categories, so that some loyal and early adopters may well feel justifiably neglected and duped…
JupiterMan
Active Member
agree.
on the current build a UK free trial is pointless, indeed probably a negative, as it will quite possibly make it more difficult to win back these people later.
Zilla91
Active Member
This will definitely improve road safety 
You can't even fall back on the excuse of it being "beta" because it's no longer described as such
You can't even fall back on the excuse of it being "beta" because it's no longer described as such
I have the same type of intersection at the top of my street....and people do do thatThis will definitely improve road safety
You can't even fall back on the excuse of it being "beta" because it's no longer described as such
Utumno
2 x Model Y LR (2022 Q2 & 2023 Q3)
To enlighten onlookers to the “trolley problem”, which is what your post was using as an ethical framework to moralise about. And The Good Place did a very entertaining and relatable take on it.
It sounds like even with the changes coming to regulations later this year, it still isn't anywhere near enough for FSD to be deployed in the UK/Europe:
Zilla91
Active Member
Nor is it self driving if you’re constantly having to supervise it, but we won’t dwell on that
MrBadger
Badger out
Yet we already have to do that for NoA, even though its sold as onramp to offramp.
Personally I have no problem with having to confirm manoeuvres, in the same way as I don't mint confirming NoA lane changes, especially as I, and as has been confirmed by others several times before, would really only be looking at using it on dual carriageways and motorways.
Its a case of Tesla waiting indefinitely for 100% when many others would be happy with 90% now.
If I have to supervise what the car is doing and when it’s going to do it, it doesn’t feel a massive step to say “do it”. That said I think off ramps or anywhere the road kind of divides would be fine, but when you’re merging into another lane and where there might be existing traffic I think for a while I’d still like to be in charge. I already have trust issues when the car is say approaching stationary traffic or a roundabout and whether it’s going to slow down, deciding to change lane for me without my agreement would result in the need for more therapy
MrBadger
Badger out
But you don’t have to override everything, just lane changes and turns.
I can travel hundreds of miles without needing to perform a lane change or turn so having to confirm by indicating really is no hardship. But we don’t get that ability because some are striving for 100% FSD functionally when 90% will do more than 90% of the time.
Important to also remember that 90% of the FSD functionally is ~99% EAP functionality, 100% with existing EAP functionality and 100% of current and future basic AP functionality. So with the tiny take up of FSD, the majority of people will benefit 100% with their current functionality and >100% with core improvements with FSD baseline.
This is as clear an indicator as any to me that we won’t see FSD Beta, Supervised, whatever in a reasonable timeframe here.
People are optimistic when the UNECE moves forwards but the reality, as expressed before, is that Tesla’s strategy is to wait until regulations are relaxed enough to deploy FSD “as is” rather than creating parallel versions, e.g. “FSD Lite” for Europe.
That being said the restrictions on “system initiated manoeuvres” makes it sound like it would be very underwhelming in practical terms anyway.
The fact Tesla are continuing to sell this option, even with an “Upcoming” caveat is really poor in my opinion, fraudulent even. They know anyone buying the option is not going to realise “Automatic driving on city streets” in any meaningful timeframe.
