I do admire your confidence that Elons rhetoric of park assist will return in a few months - Elons months have at least 180 days in them - so probably about right.
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[uk] UltraSonic Sensors removal/TV replacement performance
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It didn't come from Elon, the grownups at Tesla wrote it.
Same happened with removing Radar in the US, they explained it would be a few months to reinstate the features that were initally missing, and they kept to their timescale.
I lost AP functionality this weekend in the middle of the motorway due to a "Poor weather conditions" error message. It started to rain slightly...
Every single Tesla Vision believer should experience one of those before trying to defend this ridiculous implementation over radar/lidar...
Every single Tesla Vision believer should experience one of those before trying to defend this ridiculous implementation over radar/lidar...
MrBadger
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So they have got back to the original follow distance of 1 and parity or exceed max autopilot speed?
Rhetorical question. Doesn't sound like parity of feature set to me.
Zilla91
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Narrator: they didn’t keep to their timescale.
Believe that the latest updates automatically turn on automated windshield wipers when in Autopilot.
Tesalarr
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It's come to me that my DJI Drone uses Camera sensors for distance and they are very accurate.
Also shows the distance from obstacles on the screen in ft and beeps when you get close.
That said, this is always flown in dry, visible conditions and there are 2 cameras on the very front and two on the very back of the machine.
Really hoping this gets sorted SOON!
Also shows the distance from obstacles on the screen in ft and beeps when you get close.
That said, this is always flown in dry, visible conditions and there are 2 cameras on the very front and two on the very back of the machine.
Really hoping this gets sorted SOON!
Wow what a discussion. 547 posts (548 including mine) of speculation, rumours and armchair experts on a feature that hasn’t even been released yet. All based on “yes but the wipers/headlights/FSD”.
Why don’t we wait until it’s been released and follow that with an opinion?
Why don’t we wait until it’s been released and follow that with an opinion?
I feel this ^^^^ keeps getting overlooked. I like a lot of what Karpathy says and the idea that the cost of a sensor is way beyond what is immediately evident is surely true, but unless every facet of human vision is replicated, then the reality is that your sensor suit has to make up any shortfall, may be using a non vision or independent subsystem.
There is surely a big build up of concern / frustration / anticipation over these areas. Combined with the general evolution of both Tesla's approach (es) and the product performance I don't think some speculation is groundless.
For me, the total cost of making changes to sensor suits or indeed pretty much anything it would seem, especially while having to support multiple stacks would seem very unappealing to a manufacturer, just as the prospect of owning a car stuck in an obsolete configuration is unappealing to an owner, especially one who paid for features that seem to be getting further from being successfully delivered.
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I really admire your belief in Tesla. You have a relatively new car which probably explains it. Unfortunately, a few interactions with a SC and couple of firmware updates may change that.
As for “spoiling EV experience”, I was referring to Tesla EV. As an EV, it is awesome (although the others are starting to catch up). Otherwise, for a $100k+ car, the experience is pretty mediocre. Just rent a car in a similar price range and you will see the difference (EV or ICE).
Tesla vision visualisation is *absolute crap* compared to the release before it. It's like they abandoned it. It doesn't always even see car in front. Rarely parked cars, almost never people. It also stops working completely in the dark even in brightly lit streets..
But bins.. it can see bins 3 streets away.. They should get the guy who wrote that code to do the rest.
Why would they cripple it that much? Only sane reason is they needed the processing power for the extra work due to lack of radar... it's fair enough to say it's nonessential (although when someone tried to plant themselves on my bonnet and tesla vision didn't even see them let alone brake IMO they took out too much).
This is my second Tesla, as you can see from the sig. Always had pleasant dealing with the local service centers and rangers here in the UK.
the reality is do we even need to see a visualisation? The windscreen and windows have served me well for over 50 years. It’s a pretty distraction to impress passengers with, but frankly that’s about it. I’d rather have a larger speedo and some easy access controls together with a larger satnav area.
Even in FSD beta it’s only providing confirmation of what the car sees as important. That’s useful in testing, but pointless once it works properly. One day… To us in the U.K. it’s a waste of space.
So explain the visualisation that FSD Beta has which is also vision only on the same hardware?
Yes I agree they have degraded the visualisation, my guess would be simply to save development time when integrating the Vision code. So, being CPU constrained isn't the 'only sane reason'.
Early development version.. we'll never see FSD in this country anyway so it's irrelevant to the discussion.
As hinted at in a previous post @Dilly, I find it harder to justify much or any use of processing resources on the visualisations. All the driver needs is 'processor power availability' indication so you know if you are maxing out the system and should anticipate some kind of intervention being needed by the 'driver'.
However, if Tesla put the visualisations there to instill confidence, then they should work. Not sure what other purpose they serve at this time.
However, if Tesla put the visualisations there to instill confidence, then they should work. Not sure what other purpose they serve at this time.
It's somewhat pointless but it's a good indication of what data the system is seeing and acting upon, which was supposed to the the point originally. If it can't see something it can't act on it, hence its inability to see anything at night is a worry enough that I no longer trust AP (I also don't trust the safety systems will work at night having witnessed them fail).
It's another case of something being updated way before it was ready.. the end users being beta testers.
On a positive note - My car farts, can do a lightshow, can play games on the screen and can watch a film - all of which I don't use. Dear Elon, can you send your frippery development teams over to the wiper and auto headlight team to give them a hand - and (as @Tony Hoyle said) the guy that wrote the visualisations for bins - as he is streets ahead of the game.
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