Rear camera dirty seems like it could be a fairly common failure mode on the current cars. The Y seems to suck a vortex of crap in behind it and gets a dirty ass very quickly. Personally I have very rarely found it to get dirty enough that it's no use for human parking via the camera, but it remains to be seen if the distance measurement functionality is so tolerant.
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[uk] UltraSonic Sensors removal/TV replacement performance
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fasteddie7
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I guess my question would be, under the assumption that the cameras are not actively measuring when parked with no occupants, how will objects be handled that weren’t there when the vehicle was parked. we get some pretty high winds in my area, and there have been many times where a small object, like a trash can, blew over in front of the car just out of camera view. The wind also has knocked out the power and several objects which are hard to “see” in those dark, foggy conditions, would be on the ground. i can’t imagine how camera based vision could replace uss in those situations.
rowedav
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Seems like a decent 1st step imo, and better than what we have now (for those with USS-less cars at least).
To give a more sensible answer to a legit question, if an item genuinely appears in the blind spot while parked like your wind debris example then that's going to align with a weakness in this system (with the current hardware placements at least) and unfortunately there's not going to be a way around that. The car can't do anything with information it doesn't have.
At this point we just need to be realistic that any of these systems have flaws, we're just used to working around the flaws in the incumbent system so don't notice them. USS, for example, can't see kerbs or items below a certain height, overreacts to puddles and foliage and (on Teslas, as I understand it) are not present along the sides of the car so can't do anything to warn you about objects there.
The only collision I've had while parking was on a car with USS when an unusually shaped tree trunk leaned in towards the parking space at a height above the sensors. A vision based system would have spotted it..
fasteddie7
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Sounds like the best answer would be to have had both USS and vision active simultaneously instead of the removal and replacement of the sensor. I feel like they couldn’t have gone wrong with more data to make decisions.
There will be a lot of people who agree with you. Unfortunately this seems to run counter to Tesla's philosophy which is for aggressive simplification of both the car and the process for building it. They don't like redundant hardware and they're fully committed to having an AI-based, camera-driven model of the world that the car can use for any functions that need it to understand the world around it.
Zilla91
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If the internet has taught me anything, it's to never trust anyone who wears Crocs.This is what progress looks like
Drew57
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I only received the update to 2023.6.8 this week, so I am guessing it will be a few more weeks. I'm most interested in the detection of side kerbs as the aero rims proud of the tyre make them very exposed.
Until UK folk on here have it and give (hopefully unbiased) reviews I'm going to reserve judgement.
It's a net positive that USS-less cars will now have something, as we're 6 months in where those people haven't. So, in that respect - this is good news.
I would like to hope that the measurements/beeps are consistent and reliable enough for people to be able to use when parking. I've only skimmed a few of the videos and it seems that it craps out if it isn't sure, giving a "Parking assist unavailable" message. This is a good thing in my opinion because it means people have to resort to using their spatial awareness - which honestly we should all be doing anyway.
It's a net positive that USS-less cars will now have something, as we're 6 months in where those people haven't. So, in that respect - this is good news.
I would like to hope that the measurements/beeps are consistent and reliable enough for people to be able to use when parking. I've only skimmed a few of the videos and it seems that it craps out if it isn't sure, giving a "Parking assist unavailable" message. This is a good thing in my opinion because it means people have to resort to using their spatial awareness - which honestly we should all be doing anyway.
Great news to see this finally being rolled out. Once Tesla begin to get more data from the cars it's sure to improve over time.
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