FSD Beta v11.x

The next big milestone for FSD is 11. It is a significant upgrade and fundamental changes to several parts of the FSD stack including totally new way to train the perception NN.

From AI day and Lex Fridman interview we have a good sense of what might be included.

- Object permanence both temporal and spatial
- Moving from “bag of points” to objects in NN
- Creating a 3D vector representation of the environment all in NN
- Planner optimization using NN / Monte Carlo Tree Search (MCTS)
- Change from processed images to “photon count” / raw image
- Change from single image perception to surround video
- Merging of city, highway and parking lot stacks a.k.a. Single Stack

Lex Fridman Interview of Elon. Starting with FSD related topics.

Here is a detailed explanation of Beta 11 in "layman's language" by James Douma, interview done after Lex Podcast.

Here is the AI Day explanation by in 4 parts.

Deep Understanding Tesla FSD Part 1: HydraNet

From Theory to Reality, Analyze the Evolution of Tesla Full Self-Driving

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Here is a useful blog post asking a few questions to Tesla about AI day. The useful part comes in comparison of Tesla's methods with Waymo and others (detailed papers linked).

Twelve Questions about Tesla Autopilot Technologies Exposed at 2021 AI Day

On Aug. 19 2021, Telsa held an AI day , exposing more technologies about Autopilot , from perception, planning, data labeling, simulation…

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[EVNow]

I don’t mind paying for something that works great, but this doesn’t, and by the time they figure anything out I’ll be trading my car in. Sure as hell won’t pay $15k for this *sugar* lol. Pretty good chance I’ll never get to experience end product of what I paid for.

I believe the "correct" way to deal with this is through litigation ... not regulation

 

[SSDTester#1]

I believe the "correct" way to deal with this is through litigation ... not regulation

I don’t believe I said anything about regulation lol. I just said it wouldn’t be as painful now if this was a free beta.

 

[jebinc]

This will be the version that doesn't want to kill @AlanSubie4Life ...(for once)
It will also be the version that ends in demise for @Ramphex and @WilliamG and @jebinc as those 3 will give it one more shot and well....
EM has been reading the forums and is going to give you 3 a "special " version!

Edit: Come on boys, I left you some lay ups in there, take the shot, but make it funny !

Okay, I'll bite (smile)... Sure, since I purchased a much larger trash bin last week, I will turn FSD back on and will try this forth failed attempt at releasing v11 "wide"!
@WilliamG @Ramphex @AlanSubie4Life

 

[jebinc]

I don’t mind paying for something that works great, but this doesn’t, and by the time they figure anything out I’ll be trading my car in. Sure as hell won’t pay $15k for this *sugar* lol. Pretty good chance I’ll never get to experience the end product of what I paid for.

*SUCKER*

 

[WilliamG]

*SUCKER*

We’re all suckers, alas.

 

[FSDtester#1]

Just repeated same drive. 1 nag now after 6 miles this time (further than yesterday)and 4 turns. No interventions or disengagements. Nag happened when I took a sip of coffee ️.
As soon as I grabbed it the cup, I was like "frigging idiot ".... so some adjustment may have been made.

Okay, just did same drive again, no nags for 5 miles. I should of intervened on a slow turn but said F it, they can wait. I am going for no nags.
No coffee, no phone, no touchscreen interactions..

 

[zoomer0056]

Car attempted to run two red lights on 11.3.4 today.

I believe you, but not enough details in that statement.

 

[FSDtester#1]

Is there any known way to speed up a map update?
I know they happen very infrequently, but would like to get the latest update.

 

[Yippydog]

Still beta software. Or have we forgotten?
Now I didn’t pay $10000 or $15000 so maybe my opinions here do not count for much. I was lucky enough to get offered the subscription. So for me, I am happy and feel that finally with v11.3.4, this leading edge AI based “nearly autonomous” driving system is certainly worth the $99/mo. My son bought FSD at full price for his refresh X and certainly feels differently as he has different goals. Wants to be able to pay less or no attention at all behind the wheel. I like the extra safety as I am for sure a human being who does get board with the mundane highway driving. The nags are a good thing for all of us lazy asses.
Note that I always pay attention in high traffic situations when FSD is engaged.
I think those who are upset do have a right to litigate or get a refund if disatisfied. Hands down have a right. I also think you should be offered subscription price in addition to a full refund. Tesla oversold and set the wrong expectations and funded this like a kickstarter. Is reputation important to Tesla? Doesn’t seem to be their focus outwardly. I am really liking the new stack and I think it will just keep getting better. Unfortunately, it will most definitely reach the a limitation with the current generation of hw3. Elon is of course down playing this although he said as much(safer than human). He also said that upgrading path is “no practical” meaning not gonna happen.
so is there a legal case here?

 

[JulienW]

Is there any known way to speed up a map update?...

If you will tell me how to get 11.3.x after it starts downloading I'll tell you the secret for getting the Maps update.

 

[FSDtester#1]

If you will tell me how to get 11.3.x after it starts downloading I'll tell you the secret for getting the Maps update.

Good wifi, patience, soft reboot, and if that doesn't work start Schilling.
@Ramphex is an expert at it, maybe he could provide tips...

 

[JulienW]

Good wifi, patience, soft reboot, and if that doesn't work start Schilling...

As I have stated WiFi has nothing to do with getting into the queue since the notification is sent over LTE. Then you are prompted to connect to WiFi for the download. I know well since I have never had WiFi in 4 years.

Also the last MCU reboot I did (last week hoping for V11) caused a FULL factory reset. Needles to say I'm a little leery of hitting those 2 buttons again. See link

FSD Beta v11.x

The next big milestone for FSD is 11. It is a significant upgrade and fundamental changes to several parts of the FSD stack including totally new way to train the perception NN. From AI day and Lex Fridman interview we have a good sense of what might be included. - Object permanence both...

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[FSDtester#1]

As I have stated WiFi has nothing to do with getting into the queue since the notification is sent over LTE. Then you are prompted to connect to WiFi for the download. I know well since I have never had WiFi in 4 years.

Also the last MCU reboot I did (last week hoping for V11) caused a FULL factory reset. Needles to say I'm a little leery of hitting those 2 buttons again. See link

FSD Beta v11.x

The next big milestone for FSD is 11. It is a significant upgrade and fundamental changes to several parts of the FSD stack including totally new way to train the perception NN. From AI day and Lex Fridman interview we have a good sense of what might be included. - Object permanence both...

teslamotorsclub.com

Got it, I thought you were saying you can't get it to complete the install. I heard some people saying they couldn't complete the installation after the download.
Shoot, that means you are still doing 69?
If so, Schilling might be the only way

 

[SSDTester#1]

My maps are still 2022.28-14046. What are yours?

 

[FSDtester#1]

My maps are still 2022.28-14046. What are yours?

Same.. damn I was hoping some beta peeps were getting the update to maps.
NA-2022.44-14515
Anyone have that version yet?:
It seems like we only get a map update once per year

 

[MP3Mike]

Same.. damn I was hoping some beta peeps were getting the update to maps.
NA-2022.44-14515
Anyone have that version yet?:

Yeah, the map update downloaded to my vehicle Thursday. (I'm on FSD Beta V13.3.3.)

 

[FSDtester#1]

Yeah, the map update downloaded to my vehicle Thursday. (I'm on FSD Beta V13.3.3.)

Did it help with any of V11 issues after you got it?

 

[JulienW]

...Schilling might be the only way

You mean the way Ramphex and jebinc shill for Elon?

 

[MP3Mike]

Did it help with any of V11 issues after you got it?

I haven't used FSD since the map update. Maybe I'll try it again today, but my problems are mainly my insurance dinging me for hard stops, which I highly doubt are map related.

 

[AlanSubie4Life]

I haven't used FSD since the map update. Maybe I'll try it again today, but my problems are mainly my insurance dinging me for hard stops, which I highly doubt are map related.

You just need to disengage when you anticipate a hard stop. This Is The Way.

I Have Spoken.