FSD Beta v11.x

scottf200 · Feb 22, 2023

Mardak said:
Looks like another drop is follow distance quick change with right scrollwheel is replaced by FSD Beta's 3 driving profiles:
Although all 3 here seem to show "Minimal Lane Changes" so maybe that's a separate setting from the full Autopilot settings view? Or the UI isn't finished and is temporary anyway?

1-7 following distance is for AP only and is not applicable to FSD AFAIK.

In "AutoPilot" menu: is the FSD settings "Full Self-Driving (Beta) Profile)

Chill (larger follow distance and perform fewer speed lane changes)
Average (medium follow distance)
Assertive (smaller follow distance, perform more frequent speed lane changes, and will not exit passing lanes)

Mardak · Feb 22, 2023

scottf200 said:
1-7 following distance is for AP only and is not applicable to FSD AFAIK

Yup, more generally, there's some settings that were used for legacy stack whether specific to Navigate on Autopilot or plain Traffic-Aware Cruise Control, and it seems like a bunch of these are going away with FSD Beta 11.x as FSD Beta hasn't honored those settings anyway.

At least no more obvious reminder that Tesla Vision doesn't support 1 following distance anymore. Personally, I'm on Chill and 7 following distance, and those seem to match up with about 1 second and 2 seconds at least on city streets with 10.69.x. I'm hoping that Chill on highways with 11.x gets closer to 2 seconds to better match the legacy behavior's furthest setting.

JulienW · Feb 22, 2023

scottf200 said:
Everyone seems to like acronyms because they sound cool or it takes so so long to type words.
ASS (Actually Smart Summon)

Well SS was originally supposed to be ASS. So what if ASS turns out to be Dumb ASS?

EVNow · Feb 22, 2023

kabin said:
The epitome of a drama queen and no, I'm not talking about Gandhi.

Who is ?

DarkForest · Feb 22, 2023

Mardak said:
Looks like another drop is following distance (1-7 or 2-7 for Tesla Vision) quick change with right scrollwheel is replaced by FSD Beta's 3 driving profiles:
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https://twitter.com/x/status/1628519736953962496

Although all 3 here seem to show "Minimal Lane Changes" so maybe that's a separate setting from the full Autopilot settings view? Or the UI isn't finished and is temporary anyway? I suppose if permanent, it avoids the issue of restoring "1 following distance" setting.

Yes!! That’s exactly what I was hoping for.

To start with, at least. Wouldn’t mind another level or two… like “Los Angeles” mode and “Island Life” or something.

I also wouldn’t be surprised if there’s a new mode for when hands-off or L3 becomes available. As in, maybe they would only allow Chill mode when driving on a highway in hands-off mode.

Would also be nice if there was an Auto mode. Like, just go with whatever traffic’s doing. If someone’s riding my tail, kick it up a notch. If I’m riding someone’s tail with a big gap behind me, take it down a notch.

AlanSubie4Life · Feb 22, 2023

DarkForest said:
Yes!! That’s exactly what I was hoping for.

To start with, at least. Wouldn’t mind another level or two… like “Los Angeles” mode and “Island Life” or something.

I also wouldn’t be surprised if there’s a new mode for when hands-off or L3 becomes available. As in, maybe they would only allow Chill mode when driving on a highway in hands-off mode.

Would also be nice if there was an Auto mode. Like, just go with whatever traffic’s doing. If someone’s riding my tail, kick it up a notch. If I’m riding someone’s tail with a big gap behind me, take it down a notch.

The main thing is to make sure lane changes can be disabled. It’s likely an impossible problem for AI. Just incredibly difficult and may be completely intractable. Requires so much sophistication and anticipation and predictive ability.

DarkForest · Feb 22, 2023

AlanSubie4Life said:
The main thing is to make sure lane changes can be disabled. It’s likely an impossible problem for AI.

Yeah, that would be good. I keep speed-based lane changes off because the logic is dumb in NoA right now.

Although the 11.3 release note about the lane change logic considering more things (like if we’re about to exit the highway) makes me a bit hopeful.

Something I’d love is if it didn’t try to change lanes if the next lane isn’t even going faster than the current one. When I’m in stop and go traffic, I don’t want it putting me in the left-most lane. I want to be in the right-mode lane in case I decide to take an exit.

AlanSubie4Life · Feb 22, 2023

DarkForest said:
Although the 11.3 release note about the lane change logic considering more things (like if we’re about to exit the highway) makes me a bit hopeful.

Haha, there is definitely no hope.

E.g. your example.

It’s also going to be important to separate following distance from the driving assertiveness (though it doesn’t seem to do anything so maybe it does not matter).

If you drive more assertively you will want longer following distance otherwise you cannot maneuver safely.

JulienW · Feb 22, 2023

AlanSubie4Life said:
The main thing is to make sure lane changes can be disabled. It’s likely an impossible problem for AI. Just incredibly difficult and may be completely intractable. Requires so much sophistication and anticipation and predictive ability.

But you can't disabled lane changes in all previous Full Sell Driving Beta's? If you can disable lane changes then it is NOT Full Self Driving Beta. Just like now you can use the signal to cancel but it may still decide it wants to change lanes. You would have to use the legacy AP stack for that.

EDIT: In V11 the highway vs other roads "line in the sand" is erased. All driving for better or worse will be the same no matter where you are driving.

kabin · Feb 22, 2023

EVNow said:
Who is ?

Stage name WMC. I feel bad saying it as it probably gives a bad name to real drama queens.

AlanSubie4Life · Feb 22, 2023

JulienW said:
But you can't disabled lane changes in all previous Full Sell Driving Beta's? If you can disable lane changes then it is NOT Full Self Driving Beta. Just like now you can use the signal to cancel but it may still decide it wants to change lanes. You would have to use the legacy AP stack for that.

Whatever it takes!

It’s just an option (albeit a mandatory option). No big deal.

Disabling single stack would be fine too. Often simple & elegant solutions are best.

It’s a path though. All that matters is where things settle when the EAP folks get single stack.

kabin · Feb 22, 2023

JulienW said:
Well SS was originally supposed to be ASS. So what if ASS turns out to be Dumb ASS?

Maybe the previous release was DASS?

JulienW · Feb 22, 2023

AlanSubie4Life said:
Whatever it takes!

It’s just an option (albeit a mandatory option). No big deal.

Disabling single stack would be fine too.

As I posted before I didn't see an on screen toggle button to enable legacy AP on the fly so it probably has to be done in the Menu and maybe only in Park. Elon did say we would have the option for a while (for what that is worth).

Seems like an on screen toggle button would be a better option to quickly switch out of Beta, at least for now.

kabin · Feb 22, 2023

azred said:
The guy posting videos now is really cutting into the future income of the influencers. How sad for them.

It might be nice to periodically introduce a little fresh change.

AlanSubie4Life · Feb 22, 2023

JulienW said:
As I posted before I didn't see an on screen toggle button to enable legacy AP on the fly so it probably has to be done in the Menu and maybe only in Park. Elon did say we would have the option for a while (for what that is worth).

Yeah what is the case now or at the time of initial v11 release doesn’t matter, as discussed. Anything is possible.

It would be interesting to see how safety compares with Require LCC on vs. off. Tesla has that data of course but would be tough to interpret.

JulienW · Feb 22, 2023

AlanSubie4Life said:
Yeah what is the case now or at the time of initial v11 release doesn’t matter, as discussed. Anything is possible.

Yea we are on our 3ed set of release notes for V11 already (2 last year). No telling when or what we will eventually get.

JHCCAZ · Feb 22, 2023

JulienW said:
Well SS was originally supposed to be ASS. So what if ASS turns out to be Dumb ASS?

When it finally achieves Smart ASS status, it will be time for the Tesla Shop to begin offering early-adopter ASS hats.

Gbills · Feb 22, 2023

AlanSubie4Life said:
Haha, there is definitely no hope.

E.g. your example.

It’s also going to be important to separate following distance from the driving assertiveness (though it doesn’t seem to do anything so maybe it does not matter).

If you drive more assertively you will want longer following distance otherwise you cannot maneuver safely.

Driving assertive is less safe and less distance

JB47394 · Feb 22, 2023

JulienW said:
If you can disable lane changes then it is NOT Full Self Driving Beta.

For people who want the car to make the decisions, they can use the "full" part. For anyone who thinks that it's not driving the way they want it, having a simpler "assist" would be nice for the parts that they do like - just as the current highway stack allows with lane changes. When Tesla gets the F part of FSD working flawlessly, I'll be happy to turn over the task of driving to the car. Until then, I'd prefer to pick and choose the parts that work for me.

AlanSubie4Life · Feb 22, 2023

Gbills said:
Driving assertive is less safe and less distance

Right, hence the required separation.

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