FSD Beta v11.x

johnmodely · Mar 28, 2023

MarcG said:
So according to Teslafi, there are currently about 3700 vehicles on some version of 10.69, and about 1700 on 11.3 with around 250 pending installs.

If we assume most of the pending ones are for vehicles on 10.69.X, the tally would be ~3450 left on 10.69 and ~1950 on 11.3, so about 36% of all FSD beta would be on 11.3.

This tells me that Tesla is probably evaluating the performance of 11.3 a bit longer, given last weekend’s larger push, before rolling out 11.3.X to the rest of the current FSD Beta fleet.

Could be the same 11.3.3 or more likely a newer version, such as 11.3.4 in the next several days (probably this weekend).

Has anyone figured out how they are rolling out new releases? Is it just random selection at this point?

I have been in beta since the Safety score rollout, and used to get the new releases usually the day off. It does not seem like they are prioritizing "older" beta testers anymore (or wonder if it is still based on safety data internally which would make sense since I drive like a maniac after I got in beta).

Im also not talking about the set couple hundred YouTubers and that get the first releases every time, but more like how are they deciding who are these first 35% or so they did the second wave on.

sleepydoc · Mar 28, 2023

johnmodely said:
Has anyone figured out how they are rolling out new releases? Is it just random selection at this point?

I have been in beta since the Safety score rollout, and used to get the new releases usually the day off. It does not seem like they are prioritizing "older" beta testers anymore (or wonder if it is still based on safety data internally which would make sense since I drive like a maniac after I got in beta).

Im also not talking about the set couple hundred YouTubers and that get the first releases every time, but more like how are they deciding who are these first 35% or so they did the second wave on.

No. There are 3,701 posts in this thread and about 3,702 hypotheses as to who gets what when.

JulienW · Mar 28, 2023

sleepydoc said:
No. There are 3,701 posts in this thread and about 3,702 hypotheses as to who gets what when.

Except I actually know, but NOT talking. Unless someone (like johnmodely) Paypal's me $10,000.

JohnB007 · Mar 28, 2023

After few more drives on v11.3.3, I realized the following patterns:

- This version is clearly dialed back. It is less assertive during busy situations. This could end up as regressions in big cities.
- This version is way smoother in most situations. This benefits the most under non-busy situations.
- Highway drive overall is simply better in most situations.

I'm going to drive this way moving forward:

- When busy/complicated, I'll drive manually selectively.
- When not busy, I'll drive "Assertive" and "Force more lane changes"
- When in between, I'll drive "Assertive" and "Minimize lane changes" so that I get to choose when. My FSD error reports will probably happen mostly here.

On my way back home, I realized that when "Minimize Lane Change" was selected, it did NOT attempt to overtake any cars on rural highways even when appropriate lanes were available.

AlanSubie4Life · Mar 28, 2023

JohnB007 said:
On my way back home, I realized that when "Minimize Lane Change" was selected, it did NOT attempt to overtake any cars on rural highways even when appropriate lanes were available.

I should certainly hope so! We don’t need that nonsense, if trying to minimize changes! It should only attempt to do anything if I am about to fly past my exit.

It’s very undesirable to change lanes except when explicitly requested.

CharleyBC · Mar 28, 2023

sleepydoc said:
On one hand, messaging would be good. On the other hand my eyes are on the road in these situations so I probably wouldn’t see the message anyway.

My reaction too.

So here's an idea. There's at least the white box showing the turn you're about to make. What if the background of the box were tinted red until the moment the car decided to go for it, at which point the tint changes to green? I think I'd notice a box of that size changing color in my peripheral vision, even without needing to look at it to read text.

JohnB007 · Mar 28, 2023

AlanSubie4Life said:
I should certainly hope so! We don’t need that nonsense, if trying to minimize changes! It should only attempt to do anything if I am about to fly past my exit.

It’s very undesirable to change lanes except when explicitly requested.

I like this since this forces even less (may be none? not sure yet) lane changes than older version on Chill.

Ramphex · Mar 28, 2023

JohnB007 · Mar 28, 2023

Musk really likes '69'...

AlanSubie4Life · Mar 28, 2023

JohnB007 said:
I like this since this forces even less (may be none? not sure yet) lane changes than older version on Chill.

Not compared to auto lane change disabled. (Which previously was by far the best configuration for AP/NOA.)

But this may actually be better depending on implementation. When ALC was disabled, when using NOA, it would just slow dramatically in traffic lanes if you were about to miss your exit (happens all the time to me since I have a bunch of other options and sometimes want to go a different way).

At least now it will signal when necessary to hit its intended exit, reminding me of what it is trying to do, and at that point I can hard cancel that activity with no unpleasantness.

So no more “unexpected” slowing due to me not following the planned route. Hopefully, and hopefully no other lane changes except essential ones (which would potentially also be better than ALC disabled, depending on implementation).

The only bad thing is that you have to disable it every time, a bad design decision they will undoubtedly fix in future (it may be just for data gathering).

JHCCAZ · Mar 28, 2023

Ramphex said:
Only with a toggle to turn that crap off.

I also suggested voice annunciation of the screen messages - I can't see them well enough - but I knew @Ramphex and others would hate it, so yes it needs to be optional.

My forum-inspired vision of @Ramphex driving through the neighborhood has him slow-cruising, holding his coffee with the music on, a ton of loud bass resonating up and down the street:

Boom Thugga Boom

Took ma b**ches to da sto

Thugga Boom Boom Boom

Imma a gangsta man fo sho

Well, something like that.

It wouldn't do to have that vibe interrupted by the Tesla turn-directions lady, reassuring everyone:

Boom Thugga Boom

Took m-APPROACHING STOP LINE-

Thugga Boom Boo- WAITING OUR TURN-

Imma gangst-PROCEEDING SAFELY-

PACEMD · Mar 28, 2023

JohnB007 said:
Musk really likes '69'...

Right, because that's the year he first walked on the moon, upside down......staring at Mars......

He was negative 2 years old at the time.......in simulated Earth years.........

jebinc · Mar 28, 2023

sleepydoc said:
No. There are 3,701 posts in this thread and about 3,702 hypotheses as to who gets what when.

While we wait yet again for the next dot release, may the intermission bantering resume - until there is real substance to talk about, but even then….

jebinc · Mar 28, 2023

PACEMD said:
Right, because that's the year he first walked on the moon, upside down......staring at Mars......

He was negative 2 years old at the time.......in virtual Earth years.........

THC!

aronth5 · Mar 28, 2023

After several 11.3.3 drives I agree with many others that this version sometimes does some wonky things but that isn't much different than other new builds I've had. Most significant improvement is highway driving. Just all around a better ride. Not far from L3.

City/streets also better with improved creep at stop signs the most noticeable. Still needs to be quicker in decision making but for the most part I don't have to intervene as often to avoid annoying drivers behind me. Also, staying right on unmarked narrow roads and better on some lane selections but just when you think lane selections are a lot better one will fail.

Biggest issues remaining for me: (no order)

Entering large roundabout is just bad. Total stop and then waits. Worse than last build.
Right on Red- no surprise here but I don't understand why Tesla hasn't fixed this.
Roundabout lane selection is a mess.
UPL is now biggest % of disengagements/interventions. Used to be Stop signs.
Potholes
Doesn't move over far enough for walkers and cyclists.
Stupid blinkers that sometime really screw up drivers behind me
Speed bumps. Very few are recognized
Highway merges. Still waits too long to merge especially zip merges when you sometimes run out of the merge lane. Car needs to slow down or speed to move over.

PACEMD · Mar 28, 2023

jebinc said:
THC!

I heard it was LSD. Cowboy Neal with Kesey twister. You're either on the rocket ship or off the rocket ship.......

uscbucsfan · Mar 28, 2023

aronth5 said:
After several 11.3.3 drives I agree with many others that this version sometimes does some wonky things but that isn't much different than other new builds I've had. Most significant improvement is highway driving. Just all around a better ride. Not far from L3.

City/streets also better with improved creep at stop signs the most noticeable. Still needs to be quicker in decision making but for the most part I don't have to intervene as often to avoid annoying drivers behind me. Also, staying right on unmarked narrow roads and better on some lane selections but just when you think lane selections are a lot better one will fail.

Biggest issues remaining for me: (no order)

Entering large roundabout is just bad. Total stop and then waits. Worse than last build.

Right on Red- no surprise here but I don't understand why Tesla hasn't fixed this.

Roundabout lane selection is a mess.

UPL is now biggest % of disengagements/interventions. Used to be Stop signs.

Potholes

Doesn't move over far enough for walkers and cyclists.

Stupid blinkers that sometime really screw up drivers behind me

Speed bumps. Very few are recognized

Highway merges. Still waits too long to merge especially zip merges when you sometimes run out of the merge lane. Car needs to slow down or speed to move over.

The right on red will be difficult. Most places it's legal and then when there's signs restricting it, they are different...not even state to state, but county to county...sometimes even the same road within a county/town will have a different version.

I don't see that being "fixed" for a long time.

I have a huge problem with UPL on this version as well...it's too cautious. It completely stops and then waits forever and then stops in the middle of the road at times like it's looking if a car is coming.

Dennisis · Mar 28, 2023

Just finished another drive around the city, moderate traffic. Very smooth overall (no roundabouts!), merged well, too slow making UPL’s as others have noted but did well on speed bumps. Depends on markings I’m guessing. Still think is does well around bikes but hey, I’m not a biker and I think it gives them plenty of room. Did well waiting for traffic in the left lane to pass then quickly signaled and moved over to prep for upcoming left turn which was nice. Taking I10 to Phoenix on Thursday so will get to test the highway, hope it impresses the wife so our trip to the coast and wine country in May is more pleasant!

diplomat33 · Mar 28, 2023

Did Tesla reduce the nags on V11? I took a short drive on V11.3.3. I was hands-off but eyes-on the road the whole time and went a few minutes with no nag. On 10.69, I used to get nags every few seconds.

willow_hiller · Mar 28, 2023

uscbucsfan said:
The right on red will be difficult. Most places it's legal and then when there's signs restricting it, they are different...not even state to state, but county to county...sometimes even the same road within a county/town will have a different version.

Literally just put together this hypothetical in another thread and people are already disagreeing about the interpretation. On a Tuesday at 3 PM, can you turn right on red from the outside right turn lane?

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