FSD Beta v11.x

The next big milestone for FSD is 11. It is a significant upgrade and fundamental changes to several parts of the FSD stack including totally new way to train the perception NN.

From AI day and Lex Fridman interview we have a good sense of what might be included.

- Object permanence both temporal and spatial
- Moving from “bag of points” to objects in NN
- Creating a 3D vector representation of the environment all in NN
- Planner optimization using NN / Monte Carlo Tree Search (MCTS)
- Change from processed images to “photon count” / raw image
- Change from single image perception to surround video
- Merging of city, highway and parking lot stacks a.k.a. Single Stack

Lex Fridman Interview of Elon. Starting with FSD related topics.

Here is a detailed explanation of Beta 11 in "layman's language" by James Douma, interview done after Lex Podcast.

Here is the AI Day explanation by in 4 parts.

Deep Understanding Tesla FSD Part 1: HydraNet

From Theory to Reality, Analyze the Evolution of Tesla Full Self-Driving

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Here is a useful blog post asking a few questions to Tesla about AI day. The useful part comes in comparison of Tesla's methods with Waymo and others (detailed papers linked).

Twelve Questions about Tesla Autopilot Technologies Exposed at 2021 AI Day

On Aug. 19 2021, Telsa held an AI day , exposing more technologies about Autopilot , from perception, planning, data labeling, simulation…

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[JHCCAZ]

Elementary school behavior. So sad.

It's OK, he's just making up for the juvenile buffoonery he missed back then. The other kids were goofing off being idiots and he was a nerd.

Now he has, let's just say, a few more resources and a larger captive audience they did. So now he can afford to make a few dumb jokes while he plays with with rockets, fast cars, robots and digging machines.

Sad? I think not

 

[Dewg]

It's important to remember that he's on the spectrum (what used to be known as Asperger's Syndrome). He's brilliant, but lacks some social skills. Naming something 420 or 69 is amusing to him, and doesn't impact us in the slightest, so just ignore it.

 

[AlanSubie4Life]

While you have no direct control over how closely other vehicles follow you, the simple solution to tailgaters is to just gradually slow down until they get the message and pass you. Nonetheless, if the tailgater persists and runs into you, it will be his fault.

On City Streets and even elsewhere there are typically many other less rage-inducing ways to handle this. Sometimes what you suggest is the only option though. Usually reserved for worst offenders.

But my point here was that even in cases of not-severe tailgating, using FSD is hazardous and most users here know to make rapid and frequent use of the accelerator pedal. Particular points of risk are intersections and right turns. It’s a real elevated risk as all users know.

Thank God you are not waiting for @AlanSubie4Life ...

Ironic, given my expectations are so low. For me it would probably be very useful far before it comes close to good enough for Tesla to assume liability (which is obviously never going to happen for these vehicles, even on the freeway).

 

[Dennisis]

It's gotten pretty quiet around here. No more info on how 11.4 is doing in the wild?

 

[jabloomf1230]

It's gotten pretty quiet around here. No more info on how 11.4 is doing in the wild?

Other than Tesla Bull's video, there's not much.

 

[Therealm80]

It's gotten pretty quiet around here. No more info on how 11.4 is doing in the wild?

I have also been wondering that.

 

[JHCCAZ]

It's gotten pretty quiet around here. No more info on how 11.4 is doing in the wild?

Today @YNoVA said he was getting 11.4, very surprising and not yet confirmed. No other info except from Tesla Bull (who posted it a pretty long drive on YouTube).

 

[MARKM3]

Very odd how quite 11.4 is

 

[Scott Chapman]

Very odd how quite 11.4 is

Too quiet...

 

[pimfram]

I got excited yesterday when I had the orange download arrow. Alas, it was just the navigation update.

 

[aronth5]

Received the updated navigation maps, NA-2022.44-14515 and just like the previous map update I haven't noticed any changes in how FSD drives.
Is this consistent with other people's experience? I'd love to know what changes between map versions.

 

[jebinc]

It's OK, he's just making up for the juvenile buffoonery he missed back then. The other kids were goofing off being idiots and he was a nerd.

Now he has, let's just say, a few more resources and a larger captive audience they did. So now he can afford to make a few dumb jokes while he plays with with rockets, fast cars, robots and digging machines.

Sad? I think not

A few? What rock have you been hiding under?! jk.

 

[jebinc]

You can always use an objective milestone - like Tesla taking over liability for accidents. Not that .... that will come anytime soon.

Not a chance. This will be a L1.5+ system for the foreseeable future.... "J"

 

[jebinc]

Very odd how quite 11.4 is

I suspect many just gave up on it, or turned it off altogether, until @Ramphex confirms FSD(j) "Junk 7.0" is downloading....

 

[Supcom]

Received the updated navigation maps, NA-2022.44-14515 and just like the previous map update I haven't noticed any changes in how FSD drives.
Is this consistent with other people's experience? I'd love to know what changes between map versions.

I got the new maps this week, but have seen no difference in driving. Sadly, the mini roundabouts in my neighborhood are not shown, despite them being a couple years old.

 

[Ramphex]

Thank God you are not waiting for @AlanSubie4Life ...

I think Alan will approve it before Jeb does.

Yeah idk the thing about this is it's hard to know what is "the final product"...how does one measure such a thing? 100000% better than superhuman driving? 50% of human driving? Something in between? If we get to 150% and you feel as though it's finally complete, then we later get 200%, does that mean you were wrong? At what point it is "good enough"? (Also it can be "good enough" in multiple different ways...how does one figure out which it's good enough for all the ways that matter to them?)

It’ll be good enough for me whenever it meets a certain set of my personal requirements, regardless of the % of completion. Those requirements are simple: no more jerking off the steering yoke and no more watching me via cabin camera to make sure I’m jerking off the steering yoke.

My biggest gripe with the software is not its crap driving but the constant nagging along with the crap driving. Adding those two ingredients is what creates the Faux Self Driving: Junk.

 

[LowlyOilBurner]

Probably should do a poll, but what map versions is everyone one?

 

[AlanSubie4Life]

There is definitely a rancorous and acerbic note of melancholy here of late. The realization of the enormous endeavor before every company involved is starting to become clear - at least to those who have used FSD and now realize with crystal clarity just how far there is to go.

The vast majority of the population simply won’t tolerating being jerked around. It is just too alarming. People routinely do roller coasters with massive jerking because of the thrill. It’s not what they want in their daily drive, where life and limb are at stake. Just intolerable. And that’s the least of the issues, which can’t apparently be fixed.

My thought from ~2019 written here that it would be 5-10 years is looking enormously optimistic. I have no idea why I thought that would be possible.

 

[JulienW]

Very odd how quite 11.4 is

Because it is internal testing ONLY. Likely internal will get 11.4.1 early next week and if all goes well we will see it released next week to a few influences and then 11.4.2 about 2 weeks that starts rolling out.

 

[JulienW]

Downloading 2023.6.15 right now!

I subscribed to FSD about two days ago

This is an extraordinary claim that defies all Tesla release scheduling logic. Extraordinary claims that sound unrealistic require proof. Unless you car was somehow "mistaken" for a qualified employee you all but certainly don't have 11.4.