Pretty benign routes handled fairly well, though not without issues. Best part is when a class of little kids dressed in oversized rain slickers and floppy hats crosses in front of the Tesla. Sort of like the infamous Dan O'Dowd video.
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FSD v12.x (end to end AI)
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- #fixphantombraking autopilot chill is not chill elon is an ass fix fsd extreme late deceleration fsd does not commit to go fsd does not maintain proper speed fsd hard and late braking fsd jerky driving fsd late deceleration fsd stops too early too quickly fsd stops too far behind line fsd tailgating in city streets
powertoold
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He needs to show us the safety disengagements he has been talking about
willow_hiller
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When I read disengagements, I don't think it was in the context of him having to manually disengage to avoid a safety incident. I think he was saying it was red-hands "take over immediately" kind of system faults.
In the X Spaces discussion, he mentioned having more safety takeovers than V11. This latest video was milktoast. hardly any other cars. Slow speeds. Some pedestrians and cyclists, but, since it's a work day, very few of them at the tourist sites he drives through.
I get that V12 has some nice vehicle control and is smoooooth as silk, but let's see how it does with some real traffic.
Maybe the next video...
Yup. Elon. He was reporting upon the NHTSA requirement that all FSD cars had to come to a full stop at each and every stop sign. Tesla had and showed to the NHTSA no kidding, irrefutable, hard data that, pretty much, nobody ever came to a full stop at a stop sign. And expressed both frustration and a "Get a load of this!" reactions to the NHTSA doubling down on the requirement anyway.
willow_hiller
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Got it, I was going off of your summary and thought these two sentences were referring to the same disengagements "Omar discussed how he has more safety related disconnects with V12 than V11. He stated that it was poor on highways in heavy rain, throwing up a lot of red hands takeover messages."
That’s how you know it’ll be a quantum leap
in performance
AlanSubie4Life
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First you said “what we are seeing is AGI,” not “Elon said ‘this is AGI.’”
Secondly, Elon has clearly shown he is no AI expert. He has said many, many things since 2015 that show his grasp of machine learning and neural nets is tenuous. Does he hire and rely on many AI experts to produce his Advance Driver Assist System feature for Tesla automobiles? Absolutely. But outside of being an early tester I am confident he’s never contributed one iota of content in the development of FSD.
Why do you assume his grasp of AGI is any better than that of conventional machine learning. Just listen to the podcasts he does, like with Joe Rogan. Sure he’s a visionary when it comes to marshaling money and resources to bleeding edge technology, but he’s clearly no AI expert. And if he had said FSD was AGI, then it would just have been further proof that this was the case.
sleepydoc
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rather interesting - by definition, 'influencers' have a lot of people who follow/watch/listen to them. Generally, the purpose of sending stuff to influencers is so they can 'influence.' it's free advertising for the company. I'm trying to figure out what the purpose of sending an early, more buggy version of FSD 12 out to an influencer would be.
sleepydoc
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driving down an empty 2 lane highway in overcast weather on dry roads.
Yep. Guaranteed there are some skeletons. Maybe related to the new steering/brake control NNs.
haha you will never see it. The same is the case when he tweets "FSD was beyond terrible today" but you would never see these "terrible" videos. Only when he's driving with another youtuber where he is forced to upload. You're better off waiting for the wide release to get a better picture of its performance.
If the particular influencer can be trusted to put as positive a spin as possible on the early (buggy) version, that would achieve the purpose of putting out positive spin in an information vacuum.
mgs333
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Going by some of the posts I'm seeing, it must be getting close to earnings day. 
Artful Dodger
"Neko no me"
As such, the handlers of the NHTSA view these changes as an unqualified success: the 'Fun Police', dropping a turd in the punch bowl, cockatiels, pick your aphorism of choice...
Tesla only has itself to blame for the NHTSA action, with the very loose and risky deployment of this ADAS technology from the public statements to lack of controls down right to the naming conventions
It wasn’t so long ago that Elon was scoffing at the idea of using the cabin camera for eye tracking at all
It wasn’t so long ago that Elon was scoffing at the idea of using the cabin camera for eye tracking at all
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