I wonder whether they could recognize revenue for a feature that's not pushed out to all cars but has to be downloaded via a relatively hidden method? I guess it's up to the lawyers to decide. But there are likely many FSD purchasers who don't spend time on forums or follow Elon and will have no idea when the button is released.
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New button to enable FSD Beta download?
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That's what we're hoping for!
In the past, they've recognized revenue as the software was deployed to different regions (but unclear if it's "software is available" vs "software installed"). I suppose if we estimate $4k average deferred FSD revenue with 10k original wider deployment, that's $40 million, which is about 3% of 2020Q1's automotive gross profit, so it would make some impact if they could recognize.
Or they have no idea but find the new button, or hear about it from a friend, or a notification tells them... and they just push it to see. Hey neat!
Cheburashka
Active Member
I hope so too. The way Elon explains it, it does sound like everyone will be able to gain access, but who knows.
Remember how he also said everyone who had purchased FSD would be part of the Early Access Program? We all know how that turned out.
diplomat33
Average guy who loves autonomous vehicles
Do we know if the download button will mean we get future FSD Beta versions or do we just get the current version like a "FSD trial"? I would hope that it means we get software updates with future FSD Beta versions.
I would hope that it means we always get the current version. Assuming it progresses, is doesn't make sense to leave us on the old one lol
Wait, I am pretty sure Musk said 8.2 has 1000 of improvements... then 8.3 would ofc have many as well.
And yes looks like potentially wide release of v8.3... then v9 would come a little while later which would complete the transition to new NN arch and supposedly major performance improvement.
If FSD beta goes public, my concern that drivers/users will think they have a fully self driving car that they can take their eyes off the road and not pay attention is very low.
To all you guys, I'd take that bet, I'd bet that we will not see any high profile accidents from FSD beta for several months after wide release.
Even if FSD performance is awful, and even if FSD performance is 10000x worse then human reliability, I still expect the addition of FSD beta to result in more careful driving overall and fewer accidents than before. I know many if not all will not understand or disagree.
Yea, I think this is could very likely end up happening.
I assume all future version... it if they make fixes or patches for safety... it wouldn't make sense for them to leave the people with the worse performing version.
I remember back when I had faith in humans to not exceed even my most imaginative projections for the zenith of stupid behavior. Those were simpler times.
It's all speculation until we get more information (or the button shows up). My understanding of the original Beta program was that testers were required to sign/acknowledge some type of agreement/NDA. My guess is that we'll be able to download it (from the "car display") and then that will trigger something to do in the app (read and agree) and then we'll be able to install the software.
Missile Toad
MSLR Wht/Blk/19 | OD 6/10/21 | RN11512
Looks like the final part for FSD finally came in from the Tesla legal department:
The new City Streets feature is Beta.... blah, blah, blah, .... you indemnify... blah, blah, blah, ... and your heirs.... blah, blah, blah, ... hold Tesla harmless ... blah, blah, ... we can modify this at any time to make your hospital stay more annoying... blah, blah.
diplomat33
Average guy who loves autonomous vehicles
Elon said there would be some form of disclaimer that we would have to agree to in order to use FSD Beta. It will probably come when you tap the download button, before the download actually starts. That would be my guess.
diplomat33
Average guy who loves autonomous vehicles
Since it is just adding a button, Tesla could probably do a stealth update over LTE without telling us. But I suspect it will be in a regular update and tell us in the release notes.
stopcrazypp
Well-Known Member
There was an interesting article posted about FSD Beta recently:
Safety Third: I Was Wrong To Fear The Tesla FSD Beta - CleanTechnica
Sign up for daily news updates from CleanTechnica on email. Or follow us on Google News! An article I wrote a couple months ago got a lot of negative attention. Some people harassed me on Twitter to the point where I blocked a few people. One very prominent person in ... [continued]
cleantechnica.com
The gist is given roughly 1000 users (not specially trained) using the system today, the author expected there would be major accidents reported shortly. That did not happen. Basically by making it clear to the driver any responsibility for accidents still lies fully with them, drivers naturally are more careful, than if for example they were instead told the system would keep them safe.
As long as Tesla continues to make that clear, the probability of an accident should not really go up.
Tam
Well-Known Member
It could be argued that Tesla still owns your car:
1) Some used car owners were surprised when their features were removed by Tesla: Full Self Driving, Ludicrous...
2) Supercharger capability is blocked for all Tesla salvage titles (even when Tesla does not own them and they are not in their possession or property...)
3) Fonts on the S and X instrument clusters suddenly became tinier in one firmware update and fortunately, they were reverted back after owners' complaints.
rxlawdude
Active Member
1. Tesla owned the car between trade-in and auction, so it's literally true because Tesla DID own the car as it passed through them.
2. True. New policy since 2020 apparently.
3. Really? You use this as evidence that Tesla "owns" your car?
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