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Love that news. My understanding from my contacts is that rolling out to "everybody" on the same day is not possible. A wave of scheduled rollouts is required. However I am choosing to believe your source....because I WANT IT!
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Torrent model?Love that news. My understanding from my contacts is that rolling out to "everybody" on the same day is not possible. A wave of scheduled rollouts is required. However I am choosing to believe your source....because I WANT IT!
Wifi only. I'll be on the road, maybe I should tether to my phone at a supercharger
that 'US ONLY' breaks my heart for real.
Interesting that it allows passing on the right (and maybe prefers it?). I guess I kind of wanted my future FSD car to be the most defensive driver ever, and for me to be the one to make less than optimum choices like that.
You’re making unfair assumptions. First, you’re assuming that the autopilot is disconnecting itself under its own guise. I’m referring to a catastrophic failure. Two different things.
Secondly, in the air, you don’t have other planes 16” from you, guard rails, concrete barriers, etc. The requirements for complexity of an aircraft autopilot are much less than a street-level autopilot. Hence the reason they’ve been in use since the 1960’s and cars still don’t have them.
Last, if you don’t think an autopilot failure can put an aircraft at risk, then I question your background as you present it. Gyro drift, servo failures, pilot dialing in the wrong settings, pressing the CDI/NAV buttons, etc. plenty of reasons why it can fail and put the aircraft at risk.
The "autopilot" feature in the Chrysler was nothing more than cruise control plus a basic overspeed warning. Plus the article you linked to directly supports the position of the comment you seem to be disagreeing with:Automotive History Capsule: Chrysler’s 1958 Auto-Pilot -56 Years Before Tesla’s Autopilot
Oh look a very basic autopilot feature was in a car in the 50s.
Planes use autopilot more than cars but to say cars don't use any such autopilot features at all is just ignoring all the driver assistance features that are common in cars.
The term “autopilot” has been around a long time, and does not intrinsically imply full autonomy. Sperry offered the first aviation version back in 1912 by Sperry, a device that connected a gyroscopic heading indicator and attitude indicator to hydraulically operated elevators and rudder. It simply reduced a pilot’s workload, but was hardly all-encompassing. Its features were expanded over the decades to encompass wider aspects of piloting, to near autonomy today. But flying is very different than driving, and the tasks and the processing demands are not really comparable.
The "autopilot" feature in the Chrysler was nothing more than cruise control plus a basic overspeed warning. Plus the article you linked to directly supports the position of the comment you seem to be disagreeing with:
They were talking about features with a higher level of autonomy, which is what most people think of when they hear "autopilot", rather than cruise control or the aviation equivalent (even if those systems are also properly called "autopilot"). It's certainly true that automotive autonomy lags behind aviation autonomy, in large part because of the much larger number of constraints on automobiles, especially in real-world conditions.No it actually corrects the person I was replying to. Notice that person said 1960s for planes and the article said 1912.
and the concept is no matter how different flying is vs driving both cars and planes have driver/pilot assistance and have for many decades. His contention was that planes have it and cars don't.
You can say planes have more thorough systems or that they just don't need as thorough a system to keep up, but neither of those is the same as saying cars don't have it at all.
No it actually corrects the person I was replying to. Notice that person said 1960s for planes and the article said 1912.
and the concept is no matter how different flying is vs driving both cars and planes have driver/pilot assistance and have for many decades. His contention was that planes have it and cars don't.
You can say planes have more thorough systems or that they just don't need as thorough a system to keep up, but neither of those is the same as saying cars don't have it at all.
My point was originally that Tesla has taken the same approach with their autopilot as planes - that the pilot (driver) is ultimately responsible for the operation of the vehicle. Another fellow commented that he disagreed, and that aircraft autopilots are designed that if they fail the pilot has 7-10 seconds (or whatever it was) to be able to recover the aircraft, and Tesla does not allow for that. To which I made the point that aircraft don't have to worry about concrete barriers, other aircraft 16" off their wing, etc. In making that point, I said that is why planes commonly started using autopilots in the 1960's (sure, they were around much before that, but not common), and automobiles have not.
Comparing standard auto cruise control to a 1960's-era wing leveler, altitude hold, and CDI following is still comparing apples and oranges.
Hopefully you can appreciate the recap.
Looks like everyone that has gotten 2018.39 had to have 2018.36.2 first.
I am completely mind-boggled that people even attempt to compare planes with cars... and consistently come back to the wording "Autopilot" and somehow driver is ultimately responsible is a strange concept.My point was originally that Tesla has taken the same approach with their autopilot as planes - that the pilot (driver) is ultimately responsible for the operation of the vehicle. Another fellow commented that he disagreed, and that aircraft autopilots are designed that if they fail the pilot has 7-10 seconds (or whatever it was) to be able to recover the aircraft, and Tesla does not allow for that. To which I made the point that aircraft don't have to worry about concrete barriers, other aircraft 16" off their wing, etc. In making that point, I said that is why planes commonly started using autopilots in the 1960's (sure, they were around much before that, but not common), and automobiles have not.
Comparing standard auto cruise control to a 1960's-era wing leveler, altitude hold, and CDI following is still comparing apples and oranges.
Hopefully you can appreciate the recap.