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2023 S/W Holiday Update
You can now record your own fart tbh
The wheel nag in my 3 occurs every 25 seconds. It occurs with my hands on the wheel, though not firmly. When I take it out of AP and remain on simply cruise, I use less force upon the wheel than I do holding it in AP. The solution would be to have the wheel sense hand contact, but I’m guessing a government body dictated otherwise. In any case I now most often forgo AP. (Don’t have FSD)
willow_hiller
Well-Known Member
People have been clamoring for 360 camera views. The thing is, most 360 cams are very warped and don't actually provide a very accurate sense of distance. I think this visualization provides the same sort of usefulness as a 360 cam.
FloridaJohn
Member
Actually it was the bean counters at Tesla that made that decision. Other car manufacturers are using sensors that detect when the driver is holding the wheel without requiring torquing the wheel.
I actually don’t really understand this whole argument, that has been raging for quite some time on these forums. I have logged a ridiculous amount of autopilot miles. It’s probably in the neighborhood of 80,000, if not 90,000. I don’t drive with my hands on the wheel, full disclosure. I have just become used to giving the wheel a tiny little tug at repeated, but semi-random intervals. About once every couple of months, I may get a forced disengagement because I didn’t respond fast enough. That’s on me, obviously. And there have been a few times, that I could probably count on one hand, where it seemed like it didn’t register my wheel tug, and I got a forced disengagement anyway. But those are very rare.
Overall I just don’t see a problem with the current system. I have my cabin camera covered, because I don’t trust anyone to be viewing me for the untold hours that I spend in my car. And I’m perfectly fine with the system that currently exists for making sure that I’m paying attention.
Just my $.02!
Overall I just don’t see a problem with the current system. I have my cabin camera covered, because I don’t trust anyone to be viewing me for the untold hours that I spend in my car. And I’m perfectly fine with the system that currently exists for making sure that I’m paying attention.
Just my $.02!
Terminator857
Active Member
Show what can be shown. Showing the front facing camera would help because it is at a better position than someone sitting low way behind the steering wheel.
boonedocks
MS LR Blk/Blk 19”
Are you using only AutoPilot and NOT FSDBeta?
There is a significant difference in how the two act as far as hands in the wheel / camera awareness goes.
I cancelled my FSD subscription about 5 months ago (still extremely happy I did that) and the difference in how steering wheel awareness and ability to look / use the screen and actually pick up your phone for example are HUGE.
I agree with your statement but that have the FSD Beta running see something very different.
legendsk
Member
Things on mine that were broken in the July/August update still haven't been fixed. I'm starting to suspect that FSD is waaaaaaay more difficult than anyone thought and they are for sure further away from it now than they were last July. This could explain the increasing number of folks jumping ship or being fired for not solving the problem. {Personally, I would have fired some of them when fart noises, light shows, etc., etc., took priority over driving functions like dry wipes and safety.}
You would have fired who? Some of the AP team because someone on the entertainment team was working on entertainment features? Or you would fire the entertainment staff because?
legendsk
Member
I really don't think it would be fair to fire some of the AP team because the problem was more difficult to solve than was initially thought. However if some of the AP team aren't contributing to the solution, then sure, they should go. However if any members of the entertainment team are using resources, (like air, water, space, etc.), that could be used by people to work on stuff that needs fixing, then yes, they need to go.
That's like firing the window washers because the air conditioning keeps failing.
X Fan
Active Member
I'd add that different vehicles seem to "nag" differently. Big difference between my new X (infrequent) versus my wife's Y (more frequent, annoyingly so even though hands are on the wheel).
I have only had one wife so I wouldn't know. Can only get better from here.
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I only use AutoPilot, 99.5% of the time. I do have FSDb, but I rarely, if ever use it because 1) AutoPilot works great for me and 2) the FSDb nanny nags are way too intrusive. If you're going to use FSDb, it ultimately becomes far more stressful than regular driving and the whole reason I bought my M3 was to reduce stress on my body.
I do a ton of driving and it was to the point that I was unsure of how long I'd be able to sustain my current way of earning a living (which was scary as I have three kids who are getting close to college!) But now with Autopilot features, I can drive 1-2 hours and not feel like I was driving. I get out of the car feeling pretty good. Back when I had to clutch the wheel, and maintain feet on the pedals, 100% of the time, (or face imminent death,) I would arrive feeling like I just played football. AutoPilot has been a godsend for me.
FSDb does nothing for me in that regard. But when I bough the car it was "only" $6,000 and I thought, at the time, that it would be worth it. I do like the auto lane change feature and use it all the time, along with stopping at red lights. But the autosteer on city streets is simply useless to me right now, and will be until it gets significantly better.
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