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Car & Driver: The Mach E is simply better than the Model Y
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RobDickinson
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Imagine a car manufacturer having cars at multiple price points, that's true innovation right there
Exact words as a "poor-man" Tesla would said.The M3 is a budget S...but it’s not a poor man car...it’s surprisingly refined, it’s innovative even cutting edge...but, to be fair, it brought Tesla into my budget (just)
Tesla used to be an exclusive brand with $90k plus cars...
Now every high school and college kids have one...
Car reviewers hate Tesla...no freebies...no cars to test...that’s why new cars are often tested against very old, beat up Teslas. But one thing is for sure...Tesla sets the benchmark and every new car is touted as a Tesla beater.
As to your final point...M3 is a great looking, elegant car...and only a MS looks better
YUP! Not only that, car reviewers are often glossing over the situation for other vehicles. They want to keep getting those free trials. Watch at 3:20.
ROFL. I'll take my Perf Model Y over your 2015 and 2018 Model S any day, regardless of price. I always hate it when I get a pre-refresh Model S as a loaner. It makes me appreciate the Y all the more. I'm glad you like yours though. I do find it interesting that a Tesla owner would come onto a Tesla thread to troll. What's up with that?
You really should see the chaos going on with the MME. Of course we won't hear about it on the EV blog sites since it's not Tesla. I feel sorry for these people and the cluster over the HV battery recall.
Craziest thing I have read!
POST Recall Software HVBJB Failure
Craziest thing I have read!
POST Recall Software HVBJB Failure
Clearly you spent your education money on a car. Wise choice……lol
pmont1
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electric miles
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Even after all the issues that have come out with the MME, some in the media are still in love with it. This reads like a "Paid Content" type article:Ford’s Mustang Mach-E electric crossover is a hit with industry insiders — that could help it take on Tesla
It's not a hit with customers who had their car have a complete loss of power and were stuck in an intersection because of a contactor failure.
thesmokingman
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On that note...
2021-22 Mustang Mach-E owners slap Ford with federal lawsuit over safety defect
Ford is hit with its second lawsuit seeking class-action status, claiming company should've known of defects, this time in the Mustang Mach-E.
www.freep.com
It appears to me Ford has pushed the drive train for too much power. It might be ok as a rear wheel drive, one motor car. Just a warning for anyone who might be researching to make a car buying decision.On that note...
2021-22 Mustang Mach-E owners slap Ford with federal lawsuit over safety defect
Ford is hit with its second lawsuit seeking class-action status, claiming company should've known of defects, this time in the Mustang Mach-E.www.freep.com
Unlikely that that would help as they claim even fast charging causes the problem, which is lower power than even a RWD version would be.
ZenRockGarden
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I've been watching the MME drama play out as part of a greater story for domestic EV makers - particularly Ford and GM.
You see at a corporate strategy level, those two went opposite. Ford decided to seize market ground as quickly as possible, fast tracking the Mach-E and the F-150 lightning by whatever-means-necessary to hit those two sweet spots ahead of the competition. They produced interesting designs, but the rush is now showing, with every single Mach-E under recall, and the F-150 also showing teething problems as well as huge manufacturing bottlenecks.
GM went the other way, taking more time to build up their base "Ultium" electric platform with what is probably better engineering, and the ability to apply it across a wide range of vehicles since it's designed from the start as a platform. Even Honda is going to be licensing Ultium for their first EV SUV. But this came at the cost of timing. GM is roughly a year behind Ford in the race to have products in meaningful numbers of customer hands.
So which wins out? The tortise or the hare? (and what about the Fox that's already sitting on the finish line reading recipes for turtle and rabbit soup?)
You see at a corporate strategy level, those two went opposite. Ford decided to seize market ground as quickly as possible, fast tracking the Mach-E and the F-150 lightning by whatever-means-necessary to hit those two sweet spots ahead of the competition. They produced interesting designs, but the rush is now showing, with every single Mach-E under recall, and the F-150 also showing teething problems as well as huge manufacturing bottlenecks.
GM went the other way, taking more time to build up their base "Ultium" electric platform with what is probably better engineering, and the ability to apply it across a wide range of vehicles since it's designed from the start as a platform. Even Honda is going to be licensing Ultium for their first EV SUV. But this came at the cost of timing. GM is roughly a year behind Ford in the race to have products in meaningful numbers of customer hands.
So which wins out? The tortise or the hare? (and what about the Fox that's already sitting on the finish line reading recipes for turtle and rabbit soup?)
RobDickinson
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Yet this barely makes the news..
2021-22 Mustang Mach-E owners slap Ford with federal lawsuit over safety defect
Ford is hit with its second lawsuit seeking class-action status, claiming company should've known of defects, this time in the Mustang Mach-E.
www.freep.com
RobDickinson
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Sir did you ignore the bolt?
GM did indeed decide to grab market share and made a shitshow of the effort
ZenRockGarden
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GM has all but abandoned the Bolt - it's not the direction they're headed. I'm talking about major mainstream cars and trucks, not a one-off micro hatch with outsourced batteries that had to be recalled and is now being sold for less than it costs to make to try and move them at all.
Ultium is what GM has bet it's future on - it'll be underneath most of their coming cars, plus a variety of other carmakers.
Ford went all-in on two niche models, without an underlying platform in order to get fastest time-to-market.
That's the race for the future of the two companies. Bolts, Volts, and Hybrids licensed from Toyota won't matter.
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