FSD Beta v11.x

kabin · Mar 9, 2023

EVNow said:
Get a few big NRA stickers and post it on all sides of the car.

Heck in my region 70% carry weapons in the car so it's honk at your out peril.

Rocinante777 · Mar 9, 2023

Heck in my region 70% carry weapons in the car so it's honk at your out peril.

Every driver has a deadly weapon. Some also carry firearms.

kabin · Mar 9, 2023

EVNow said:
Did the max speed on the screen change ? If Tesla doesn't think there is a change, its not going to slow down ...

BTW, Omar comments on some of these speed change behaviors in the video (with his father) - sometimes FSD reads truck speeds and slows down etc. Its also funny how both Omar & his dad keep talking about all the issues and posters here assert they are "shills".

Just reading a few of his tweets tells the story. He's got his nose so far up .....

kabin · Mar 9, 2023

Rocinante777 said:
Every driver has a deadly weapon. Some also carry firearms.

I recall one Tesla exec saying they can make FSD so it's impossible to crash. It's true today only when your app fails to talk to the car.

EVNow · Mar 9, 2023

kabin said:
Just reading a few of his tweets tells the story. He's got his nose so far up .....

But his videos are different ... I think he just wants (like so many others) a response or like from Musk on Twitter.

That doesn't make one a "shill" - just a fan. There is zero chance Tesla is paying Omar to push any kind of lies ...

Shills are those who take money under the table and act like the PR department while claiming to be neutral. None of the Tesla YT influencers fall in the category.

AlanSubie4Life · Mar 9, 2023

Wonder when the planner in v11 will move to NNs as advertised? 11.4? v13?

archae86 · Mar 9, 2023

AlanSubie4Life said:
Wonder when the planner in v11 will move to NNs as advertised? 11.4? v13?

How can one tell?

AlanSubie4Life · Mar 9, 2023

archae86 said:
How can one tell?

No way to know for sure of course but you’d expect a big change like that to be covered in the release notes. No guarantee of course.

The planner behavior looks pretty typical too, though I have not closely compared prior versions vs. 11.3 videos.

Knightshade · Mar 9, 2023

AlanSubie4Life said:
No way to know for sure of course but you’d expect a big change like that to be covered in the release notes. No guarantee of course.

The planner behavior looks pretty typical too, though I have not closely compared prior versions vs. 11.3 videos.

Reasonably sure that's something @verygreen would be able to see-- he's remarked in the past about what bits are still conventional C code vs NNs

nvx1977 · Mar 9, 2023

EVNow said:
Did the max speed on the screen change ? If Tesla doesn't think there is a change, its not going to slow down ...

BTW, Omar comments on some of these speed change behaviors in the video (with his father) - sometimes FSD reads truck speeds and slows down etc. Its also funny how both Omar & his dad keep talking about all the issues and posters here assert they are "shills".

For better or for worse, he's developed a reputation for being the "zero disengagement" drives guy. That is why he has the reputation of a shill. It's great to see him critique the software. He should be more balanced in all his videos.

powertoold · Mar 9, 2023

nvx1977 said:
For better or for worse, he's developed a reputation for being the "zero disengagement" drives guy. That is why he has the reputation of a shill. It's great to see him critique the software. He should be more balanced in all his videos.

We need people like him to push software though. There are plenty of videos out there of people disengaging for all sorts of preferential issues. It's annoying to see that. People want to see what the software is capable of.

I think he is balanced. When the software sucks, he'll say it. He's done it with many releases.

He's a software developer / programmer like me, and when we see what Tesla is doing with FSDb, we're very amazed. It's difficult to see what Tesla is doing with computer vision and not believe in the approach. To me (and probably him), Tesla has solved FSD, and it's just a matter of time. Perhaps that is a shill-like mindset.

FSDtester#1 · Mar 9, 2023

powertoold said:
We need people like him to push software though. There are plenty of videos out there of people disengaging for all sorts of preferential issues. It's annoying to see that. People want to see what the software is capable of.

I think he is balanced. When the software sucks, he'll say it. He's done it with many releases.

He's a software developer / programmer like me, and when we see what Tesla is doing with FSDb, we're very amazed. It's difficult to see what Tesla is doing with computer vision and not believe in the approach. To me (and probably him), Tesla has solved FSD, and it's just a matter of time. Perhaps that is a shill-like mindset.

Don't forget Omar and Elon were both in a lawsuit together a few years ago.
I can't remember the details, but they were sued together. I have seen videos with them together, so they are probably decent friends at least.

nvx1977 · Mar 9, 2023

powertoold said:
We need people like him to push software though. There are plenty of videos out there of people disengaging for all sorts of preferential issues. It's annoying to see that. People want to see what the software is capable of.

I think he is balanced. When the software sucks, he'll say it. He's done it with many releases.

He's a software developer / programmer like me, and when we see what Tesla is doing with FSDb, we're very amazed. It's difficult to see what Tesla is doing with computer vision and not believe in the approach. To me (and probably him), Tesla has solved FSD, and it's just a matter of time. Perhaps that is a shill-like mindset.

I agree with this in principle.

But he's done something so that he doesn't have to touch the wheel of his car. To me, he's glorifying the no-intervention aspect of driving. There's no need for this. Show videos of what we ALL have to go through. I also agree with a previous poster regarding his tweet history. I don't consider it balanced/tempered as I would expect from a software dev being analytical about the subject matter.

Anyway, I said "for better or for worse." Maybe we need "shills" to counter the "fudsters." Personally, I tune the extremes out.

powertoold · Mar 9, 2023

nvx1977 said:
To me, he's glorifying the no-intervention aspect of driving. There's no need for this. Show videos of what we ALL have to go through. I also agree with a previous poster regarding his tweet history. I don't consider it balanced/tempered as I would expect from a software dev being analytical about the subject matter.

Yes, in this respect, aidrvr is better, which is why he has more subscribers, but aidrvr will sometimes disengage for human etiquette reasons.

powertoold · Mar 9, 2023

FSDtester#1 said:
Don't forget Omar and Elon were both in a lawsuit together a few years ago.
I can't remember the details, but they were sued together. I have seen videos with them together, so they are probably decent friends at least.

I think they are acquaintances by circumstance but not friends. Omar was on the third row podcast, and so they did spend some time together for interviews and whatnot. I don't think they ever hung out or directly communicated casually.

nvx1977 · Mar 9, 2023

powertoold said:
Yes, in this respect, aidrvr is better, which is why he has more subscribers, but aidrvr will sometimes disengage for human etiquette reasons.

Yep, AI DRIVR and DirtY Tesla were my goto FSD channels for a really long time.

These days, I just don't care anymore. The progress has been so slow and incremental for most of 10.x that I'll just get the release when I get it, and I'll eval it myself. But I will admit, I've been watching some vids of 11.3.x, cause I guess I'm still hopeful there can be a substantive jump in progress.... we'll see.

FSDtester#1 · Mar 9, 2023

powertoold said:
I think they are acquaintances by circumstance but not friends. Omar was on the third row podcast, and so they did spend some time together for interviews and whatnot. I don't think they ever hung out or directly communicated casually.

I watched a 2 hour video on 1 of Elon's properties where he had like 7 people there and his mom and brother. They talked around a table the whole time and acted like old friends. Who knows for sure. Either way, I have read some tweets from him taking some jabs at Elon. So I wouldn't classify him as 100% Shillified!

nvx1977 · Mar 9, 2023

One last thought on Omar vids:

I've always disliked no-intervention vids from anyone because I don't learn anything about the release. Especially when most everyone were not getting zero intervention drives. Omar likely records every trip he goes on, and whenever one happens to be zero intervention, he posts that one. That is the opposite of balanced. Also @AlanSubie4Life will likely find at least 5 problems with that drive

If I'm watching these vids to learn how a release really performs, Omar's vids seem like a sh*tty choice. I also don't like to label anyone as a "shill," but I completely understand why some people think Omar is one.

FSDtester#1 · Mar 9, 2023

nvx1977 said:
I agree with this in principle.

But he's done something so that he doesn't have to touch the wheel of his car. To me, he's glorifying the no-intervention aspect of driving. There's no need for this. Show videos of what we ALL have to go through. I also agree with a previous poster regarding his tweet history. I don't consider it balanced/tempered as I would expect from a software dev being analytical about the subject matter.

Anyway, I said "for better or for worse." Maybe we need "shills" to counter the "fudsters." Personally, I tune the extremes out.

He us using his left knee to rub the wheel for resistance. He raises it up occasionally.
He just did a video with his dad MS with a yoke. He had to actually torque the yoke for that video.

AlanSubie4Life · Mar 9, 2023

powertoold said:
There are plenty of videos out there of people disengaging for all sorts of preferential issues. It's annoying to see that. People want to see what the software is capable of.

In some of my videos I count some interventions in real time, without intervening. This seems like a good solution. That way you see what happens and you can also count interventions.

In posting my future videos (carefully designed to avoid going viral - speaking of which, now seems like a perfect time to release some 10.69.25.2 videos ), I will try harder to do this.

However, I feel it creates collision risk to do so, sometimes.

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