FSD Beta v11.x

The next big milestone for FSD is 11. It is a significant upgrade and fundamental changes to several parts of the FSD stack including totally new way to train the perception NN.

From AI day and Lex Fridman interview we have a good sense of what might be included.

- Object permanence both temporal and spatial
- Moving from “bag of points” to objects in NN
- Creating a 3D vector representation of the environment all in NN
- Planner optimization using NN / Monte Carlo Tree Search (MCTS)
- Change from processed images to “photon count” / raw image
- Change from single image perception to surround video
- Merging of city, highway and parking lot stacks a.k.a. Single Stack

Lex Fridman Interview of Elon. Starting with FSD related topics.

Here is a detailed explanation of Beta 11 in "layman's language" by James Douma, interview done after Lex Podcast.

Here is the AI Day explanation by in 4 parts.

Deep Understanding Tesla FSD Part 1: HydraNet

From Theory to Reality, Analyze the Evolution of Tesla Full Self-Driving

saneryee-studio.medium.com

Here is a useful blog post asking a few questions to Tesla about AI day. The useful part comes in comparison of Tesla's methods with Waymo and others (detailed papers linked).

Twelve Questions about Tesla Autopilot Technologies Exposed at 2021 AI Day

On Aug. 19 2021, Telsa held an AI day , exposing more technologies about Autopilot , from perception, planning, data labeling, simulation…

yuhuang-63908.medium.com

 

[Bet TSLA]

I'm installing 11.4.4 now. I didn't report anything on 11.4.3.

And, no, there's no indication it's "going wide". A few people are downloading it.

 

[scottf200]

I'm installing 11.4.4 now. I didn't report anything on 11.4.3.

And, no, there's no indication it's "going wide". A few people are downloading it.

>400 on TeslaFI on the first day is pretty odd tho.

 

[PACEMD]

Turkish prison? Watch this movie:

Midnight Express (1978) ⭐ 7.5 | Biography, Crime, Drama

2h 1m | R

www.imdb.com

I remember it well........

 

[dgatwood]

Have you ever been inside a Turkish prison?

@Pdubs, do you like movies about gladiators?

On another note, I just want to tell FSD Beta good luck. We're all counting on you.

 

[aronth5]

Also down loading 4.4 now, upgrading from v11.4.2.

 

[WilliamG]

On another note, I just want to tell FSD Beta good luck. We're all counting on you.

The sad thing is the number of people that even get the reference will dwindle through the coming years.

 

[kabin]

The sad thing is the number of people that even get the reference will dwindle through the coming years.

Those were the good ole comedy days.

 

[powertoold]

Wowwwww, have you guys seen this? 4.4 sees mudslide, slows down smoothly and proceeds, if your mind isn't blown, you ain't an AV nerd:

 

[dgatwood]

The sad thing is the number of people that even get the reference will dwindle through the coming years.

I think the Turkish Prison line was glaring enough that people would try to figure out what the heck it means.

Also, some movies are timeless. I'm pretty sure that's one. I could be wrong. And I'm surprised how many people born after the turn of the century still recognize references to TV shows that I watched as a kid two decades earlier, which originally aired three decades or more before that. Never underestimate the power of low-budget syndication.

 

[scottf200]

All AP3 in TeslaFI

 

[dflowerz]

Just finished downloading 11.4.4. Only had 11.4.3 for a week or two. OK 11.4.4, try not to scare the crap out of me!

 

[aronth5]

Also down loading 4.4 now, upgrading from v11.4.2.

First drive with 4.4. Some improvements but will wait for a few more drives before judging.
The one dangerous problem that continues is pulling out in front of traffic when it's not safe. This particular example is not new but highlights the behavior when FSD stops at an intersection but then never creeps to make sure it's safe to pull out. FSD just goes. In this case the crossing traffic was a 18 wheeler. My guess is FSD would have eventually stopped without hitting the truck but the truck driver would have freaked and then bad things can happen.
Most of the time at this intersection FSD just goes without ever creeping. In the past I've also seen FSD try and pull out with vehicles coming from both directions at this intersection which is not obstructed. I had another intersection like this and after a few emails to Tesla it was fixed. Who knows if my emails had any impact. Already emailed Tesla on this for what it's worth.
It will be helpful when the B-pillar camera view is available which we know is coming.

 

[Dennisis]

First drive with 4.4. Some improvements but will wait for a few more drives before judging.
The one dangerous problem that continues is pulling out in front of traffic when it's not safe. This particular example is not new but highlights the behavior when FSD stops at an intersection but then never creeps to make sure it's safe to pull out. FSD just goes. In this case the crossing traffic was a 18 wheeler. My guess is FSD would have eventually stopped without hitting the truck but the truck driver would have freaked and would try and avoid me which would be very unsafe.

I’ve had similar on 4.2. Yes, it is a bit unnerving and I wasn’t willing to push it either. Hopefully I’ll get 4.4 soon and I’ll be able to check it out for myself.

 

[rlsd]

This site shows a complete different release notes for fsd 11.4.4:

DynaBeast

dynabeast.com

I don't see anywhere in my release notes says this. I wish it's true though.

• Improved lane guidance: This update reduces driver interventions by 64%, ensuring the vehicle isn’t in the wrong lane and reaches the destination more consistently.

 

[rlsd]

Also looking at the release notes on Tesla app I don't see release notes 11.4.3 anymore. It only shows 11.4.4 then 11.4.2. Is 11.4.4 based on 11.4.2 and 11.4.3 is an bad apple?

 

[electrikcuban]

No love for those of us on 2023.12 branch.... still stuck on 11.3.6

 

[uscbucsfan]

Also looking at the release notes on Tesla app I don't see release notes 11.4.3 anymore. It only shows 11.4.4 then 11.4.2. Is 11.4.4 based on 11.4.2 and 11.4.3 is an bad apple?

11.4.3 was terrible. TBH the whole 11.4.X has been pretty bad so far, especially with entering turning lanes and making turns.

 

[uscbucsfan]

No love for those of us on 2023.12 branch.... still stuck on 11.3.6

It's all a guess, but it seems like 11.3.6 is the last stable release and they are only letting new testers in on that release until 11.4 or newer is less dangerous.

 

[WilliamG]

Wowwwww, have you guys seen this? 4.4 sees mudslide, slows down smoothly and proceeds, if your mind isn't blown, you ain't an AV nerd:

What’s impressive? The car didn’t know what it was, slowed down, and then barreled through the next slide/puddle for whatever reason.

 

[kabin]

Wowwwww, have you guys seen this? 4.4 sees mudslide, slows down smoothly and proceeds, if your mind isn't blown, you ain't an AV nerd:

Or it sees a road surface that looks similar to a dirt road?