FSD Beta v11.x

The next big milestone for FSD is 11. It is a significant upgrade and fundamental changes to several parts of the FSD stack including totally new way to train the perception NN.

From AI day and Lex Fridman interview we have a good sense of what might be included.

- Object permanence both temporal and spatial
- Moving from “bag of points” to objects in NN
- Creating a 3D vector representation of the environment all in NN
- Planner optimization using NN / Monte Carlo Tree Search (MCTS)
- Change from processed images to “photon count” / raw image
- Change from single image perception to surround video
- Merging of city, highway and parking lot stacks a.k.a. Single Stack

Lex Fridman Interview of Elon. Starting with FSD related topics.

Here is a detailed explanation of Beta 11 in "layman's language" by James Douma, interview done after Lex Podcast.

Here is the AI Day explanation by in 4 parts.

Deep Understanding Tesla FSD Part 1: HydraNet

From Theory to Reality, Analyze the Evolution of Tesla Full Self-Driving

saneryee-studio.medium.com

Here is a useful blog post asking a few questions to Tesla about AI day. The useful part comes in comparison of Tesla's methods with Waymo and others (detailed papers linked).

Twelve Questions about Tesla Autopilot Technologies Exposed at 2021 AI Day

On Aug. 19 2021, Telsa held an AI day , exposing more technologies about Autopilot , from perception, planning, data labeling, simulation…

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[willow_hiller]

FYI, Tesla may have increased the software check timeout, or possibly disabled manual software checks altogether for the time being.

Last checked 29 hours ago, but even after multiple tries it's still returning the check from yesterday.

 

[GlmnAlyAirCar]

I don't think I've seen any personal reports here of 11.3.x on vehicles without Ultrasonic Sensors, but there have been multiple saying they haven't received it yet.

TeslaFi is currently showing 5x 2023 Model Ys that have received 11.3.x (coming from 10.x, but no 2023 Model 3s yet), and theoretically they don't have the sensors. Presumably this FSD Beta version adds Park Assist to these vehicles too, and it should be pretty obvious and notable, so odd nobody has reported that yet.

TeslaFi.com Firmware Tracker

Unless 2023 was incorrectly entered in TeslaFi. I believe that is manually input, correct?

 

[CHILLIBAJJI]

I was on the factory firmware (2022.44.100) with a USS-less M3P and decided not to renew my FSD subscription, since there's no way of knowing whether I'd get the beta within the next month. As soon as the subscription expired, I was updated to 2023.2.12. I wonder if cars on the 2022.X firmware will ever be eligible for the beta - especially since features like autopark appear to only be available to USS-less cars on the 2023 branch.

I believe the majority of the fleet (60% or so) is also now on 2023.X - has there been any word official or otherwise as to when FSD beta will be available in a 2023.X build?

when you subscribe to FSDb monhtly basis - do they charge you ASAP regardless when they push the beta?? or they start the charge when they push the beta?

 

[Dewg]

when you subscribe to FSDb monhtly basis - do they charge you ASAP regardless when they push the beta?? or they start the charge when they push the beta?

Beta is an invitation pre-release program. It has nothing to do with your subscription. Subscribing to FSD gives you Traffic Lights and Stop Sign control. It also gives you the opportunity to request access to the Beta but does not guarantee you access.

 

[Mardak]

Unless 2023 was incorrectly entered in TeslaFi

I believe TeslaFi looks at the 10th VIN position where "P" indicates a 2023 model year. Looking through this Model Y 2023 VIN thread, there's multiple reports of 2023/"P" VIN vehicles delivered with Ultrasonic Sensors. So the previous assumption of 2023 Y implying USS-less was wrong.

That makes more sense with the numbers on TeslaFi and lack of reports of FSD Beta 11.3.x on these vehicles. So to be clear, it looks like so far only vehicles with USS are getting 11.x. Seems like Autopilot / Vehicle Software team has a lot to merge to single stack right now:

• HW3 with USS (done)
• 2023.x production software
• HW3 USS-less
• MCU1 (currently 2022.8.10.10)
• HW4 (new S/X)

 

[valem]

Maybe I’m crazy but I think merging later is better than earlier. Zipper merge is always the most efficient merge.

Until they say "your lane is ending, not mine... I'll push you off the road if you try to get in front of me"

 

[Konicom04]

I was on the factory firmware (2022.44.100) with a USS-less M3P and decided not to renew my FSD subscription, since there's no way of knowing whether I'd get the beta within the next month. As soon as the subscription expired, I was updated to 2023.2.12. I wonder if cars on the 2022.X firmware will ever be eligible for the beta - especially since features like autopark appear to only be available to USS-less cars on the 2023 branch.

I believe the majority of the fleet (60% or so) is also now on 2023.X - has there been any word official or otherwise as to when FSD beta will be available in a 2023.X build?

Im on 2023.2.12 - haven't received any updates in weeks

 

[JulienW]

Until they say "your lane is ending, not mine... I'll push you off the road if you try to get in front of me"

kinglerg

So 11.3.2 is about to download to my car?

 

[D Good]

No update here from 69.25. This 4 month old update is getting really old

 

[Dewg]

Until they say "your lane is ending, not mine... I'll push you off the road if you try to get in front of me"

This a-hole is exactly what I get all the time. The "get thee behind me" mentality.

 

[rlsd]

I think the question is, was it passing on the right willy-nilly or was it an actual "justified" passing from someone going too slow in the passing lane? I agree with you on the latter, but in MOST cases, FSD shouldn't be doing right-lane passing.

In California everyone can drive on any lane. Perhaps governors of all states should seat down together and agree on national driving rules.

 

[Enright]

when you subscribe to FSDb monhtly basis - do they charge you ASAP regardless when they push the beta?? or they start the charge when they push the beta?

You are charged right away and as Dewg pointed out, you are subscribing to FSD - the beta is an optional perk on top of FSD. HOWEVER, on a USS-less car, that does not have summon or autopark, the only thing that comes anywhere close to $200/month in value is the beta itself. Many new Tesla owners are subscribing to FSD specifically for the beta because there is no way to know that it's not available to them other than to subscribe and have nothing happen - and then come to this forum to try to figure it all out (thanks everyone!).

 

[sleepydoc]

Yup - you’ve pretty much nailed it!

I’m like you - I know I’ll never get the early versions and frankly I don’t want them. I’d rather wait and get the version that’s been more thoroughly debugged.

I also know that I’ll get it when I get it. There’s been nothing in the past year that’s suddenly changed my life. (Well, with FSD, at least,) and nothing in the next release will change my life, either. I enjoy testing it, seeing the progress, figuring out what it might be ‘thinking,’ etc., but there’s no sense getting worked up about it.

…and just like that I got an upgrade notice to 45.12.

 

[thewishmaster]

Still waiting (impatiently) for the update. I blew my software check yesterday morning at 10 AM. Today it goes off and checks, thinks for a little bit, and still comes back as up-to-date as of 10 AM yesterday. I’m choosing to believe this means they are deliberating my worthiness and will roll it out to me momentarily.

That happened to me on Saturday. After 3 re-checks it finally updated. I’m guessing a bug.

 

[Twiglett]

Woke up to still no update. Guess they’re only giving it out to the least deserving first.

who said that?

 

[eli_]

Woke up to still no update. Guess they’re only giving it out to the least deserving first.

Can confirm, I got it yesterday and I haven't even used FSD since December.

 

[Konicom04]

You are charged right away and as Dewg pointed out, you are subscribing to FSD - the beta is an optional perk on top of FSD. HOWEVER, on a USS-less car, that does not have summon or autopark, the only thing that comes anywhere close to $200/month in value is the beta itself. Many new Tesla owners are subscribing to FSD specifically for the beta because there is no way to know that it's not available to them other than to subscribe and have nothing happen - and then come to this forum to try to figure it all out (thanks everyone!).

Yup - that's exactly me ! Subscribed to FSD for my Florida road trip, only to realize its useless, cancelling it a day later ( i do have the Advanced auto pilot purchased that works technically identical as nonbeta FSD).

The real bummer here is - I didn't even realize i don't have park assist until i came here ** insert face palm here**
For the love of God - my daughter's 2011 Chevy has that

Honestly - if i wasn't such a tesla fanboy , i'd be returning that car to the point of purchase instantly

 

[aronth5]

Neither of my “old” cars that have been in the Beta for a year have received 11.3.3 and based off reports here I will be happy to wait for 11.3.4 or later.

Based on my experience with 11.3.3 and from other feedback I would certainly recommend proceeding with this release.

 

[eli_]

Has anyone gotten Autopark to work on the V11 builds? I remember seeing some report that it was re-enabled again but I have not yet seen any offers to use Autopark after backing into 3 different clearly marked stalls. It's still broken afaik.

 

[JB47394]

Is this an issue more because FSD Beta is lazy in exiting the passing lane after doing this maneuver especially if it turns out there was actually no merging traffic from the right?

I attribute it to legal considerations. FSD cars surely get into more accidents when traveling in the right lane. That's the merge lane, and by staying out of it, FSD has fewer dangerous situations to deal with. It's the wrong thing to do when there are only two lanes of traffic, but I think the car will stay right if you tell it to go there and there are no cars to go around. Let me know if anyone has experienced otherwise.