FSD Beta v11.x

PACEMD · Jan 31, 2024

Also with the new model 3, there is no performance version. What?

sleepydoc · Jan 31, 2024

PACEMD said:
No software change but I did get FSDb suspended. Third time over the years. This time I sort of did it somewhat on purpose. Well........I had three strikes and was going to be home for 10 days so on the interstate commute home last week I added two more. Truth is the strikes have all come from the cabin camera in recent times. Usually, because I am looking straight ahead, head/eyes not moving but fully alert. The hand pressure/time not so much a penalty in the later updates.

Anyway, whatever, the suspension not so much a thing. The type of suspension, however, very much is. I assume it's still a week, will know in a few days. The problem is the suspension was for both FSDb AND autopilot. First time this has happened. So I have only cruise control. For in town, I don't much care. But on the highway, I care very much. Any talk about this?

Haven’t heard that - Definitely sucks.

I got suspended for a week a few months ago. Like you, the majority (? All) of my strikes were when I was looking at the road, paying attention and doing nothing wrong. The suspension was for exactly a week but I had plain AP during that time so it really wasn’t so bad.

This has been my biggest complaint about the monitoring software. The cabin camera is used almost exclusively punitively. It will give you a strike for some perceived transgression but looking at the road and paying attention is not enough to stop or even prevent a nag.

LowlyOilBurner · Jan 31, 2024

I get the “pay attention to the road” warning every time I engage FSD. Maybe it’s because I’m looking at the nav route briefly?

rlsd · Jan 31, 2024

PACEMD said:
No software change but I did get FSDb suspended. Third time over the years. This time I sort of did it somewhat on purpose. Well........I had three strikes and was going to be home for 10 days so on the interstate commute home last week I added two more. Truth is the strikes have all come from the cabin camera in recent times. Usually, because I am looking straight ahead, head/eyes not moving but fully alert. The hand pressure/time not so much a penalty in the later updates.

Anyway, whatever, the suspension not so much a thing. The type of suspension, however, very much is. I assume it's still a week, will know in a few days. The problem is the suspension was for both FSDb AND autopilot. First time this has happened. So I have only cruise control. For in town, I don't much care. But on the highway, I care very much. Any talk about this?

I am a hyperactive guy and can never keep my head still. Besides I still keep the habit of scanning the road every 15 seconds. Maybe I don't get suspended because of that.

Tronguy · Jan 31, 2024

sleepydoc said:
Haven’t heard that - Definitely sucks.

I got suspended for a week a few months ago. Like you, the majority (? All) of my strikes were when I was looking at the road, paying attention and doing nothing wrong. The suspension was for exactly a week but I had plain AP during that time so it really wasn’t so bad.

This has been my biggest complaint about the monitoring software. The cabin camera is used almost exclusively punitively. It will give you a strike for some perceived transgression but looking at the road and paying attention is not enough to stop or even prevent a nag.

On the last trip to Boston I got my first, ever, strike. The SO and I were attempting to find a particular Supercharger near Boston, both of us were fumbling at the screen, I got beeps and boops telling me to Pay Attention, then it yelled at me and said, "Disabled until next drive."

Drove another thirty miles or so until a semi-planned stop at the next rest area/SC, got the warning of, "You'd better watch it, buster. That's one strike - don't make us do four more!"

There are posters on this thread who complain about getting strikes often and hard for No Reason. With the strike, above, my eyes were off the road for 20 seconds or so, so, yeah, I deserved it.. but twenty seconds is a Pretty Long Time.

Getting five of these seems pretty hard to do. Is your car sensitive to this kind of thing?

sleepydoc · Jan 31, 2024

Tronguy said:
On the last trip to Boston I got my first, ever, strike. The SO and I were attempting to find a particular Supercharger near Boston, both of us were fumbling at the screen, I got beeps and boops telling me to Pay Attention, then it yelled at me and said, "Disabled until next drive."

Drove another thirty miles or so until a semi-planned stop at the next rest area/SC, got the warning of, "You'd better watch it, buster. That's one strike - don't make us do four more!"

There are posters on this thread who complain about getting strikes often and hard for No Reason. With the strike, above, my eyes were off the road for 20 seconds or so, so, yeah, I deserved it.. but twenty seconds is a Pretty Long Time.

Getting five of these seems pretty hard to do. Is your car sensitive to this kind of thing?

It seems to be. As I’ve said, I’ve gotten several strikes without warning while looking straight ahead.

PACEMD · Jan 31, 2024

sleepydoc said:
Haven’t heard that - Definitely sucks.

I got suspended for a week a few months ago. Like you, the majority (? All) of my strikes were when I was looking at the road, paying attention and doing nothing wrong. The suspension was for exactly a week but I had plain AP during that time so it really wasn’t so bad.

This has been my biggest complaint about the monitoring software. The cabin camera is used almost exclusively punitively. It will give you a strike for some perceived transgression but looking at the road and paying attention is not enough to stop or even prevent a nag.

I know, it's like I have to keep looking around like a paranoid robot.........

PACEMD · Jan 31, 2024

LowlyOilBurner said:
I get the “pay attention to the road” warning every time I engage FSD. Maybe it’s because I’m looking at the nav route briefly?

It now always gives that warning on initial engagement of FSDb. That one you can ignore. Just a well-pay-attention if you're gonna play FSDb reminder.

PACEMD · Jan 31, 2024

rlsd said:
I am a hyperactive guy and can never keep my head still. Besides I still keep the habit of scanning the road every 15 seconds. Maybe I don't get suspended because of that.

Hyperactive, right. Maybe I need to do more meth.........

PACEMD · Jan 31, 2024

Ok, I'm in the junk tank now, suspending AP along with FSDb is what I'll call junky...........At least leave me with AP like nonFSDb cars all have, AP sucks compared to FSDb but at least it auto-stears........

PACEMD · Jan 31, 2024

Does this type of suspension, FSDb and AP, have anything to do with the AP recall? Something I have not followed........meaning now you can be suspended from AP for bad behavior?

MP3Mike · Jan 31, 2024

PACEMD said:
Does this type of suspension, FSDb and AP, have anything to do with the AP recall? Something I have not followed........

Yes, FSDb has always had the suspension, while AP didn't until NHTSA made them add it as part of the recall.

fasteddie7 · Jan 31, 2024

MP3Mike said:
Yes, FSDb has always had the suspension, while AP didn't until NHTSA made them add it as part of the recall.

On another not I got a strike in my model s for changing the navigation as I enabled it, and it looks like it carried over to my model x as I had one less strike there.

jabloomf1230 · Jan 31, 2024

PACEMD said:
Ok, I'm in the junk tank now, suspending AP along with FSDb is what I'll call junky...........At least leave me with AP like nonFSDb cars all have, AP sucks compared to FSDb but at least it auto-stears........

This?

jebinc · Jan 31, 2024

PACEMD said:
Ok, I'm in the junk tank now, suspending AP along with FSDb is what I'll call junky...........At least leave me with AP like nonFSDb cars all have, AP sucks compared to FSDb but at least it auto-stears........

sleepydoc · Jan 31, 2024

jabloomf1230 said:
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archae86 · Jan 31, 2024

LowlyOilBurner said:
I get the “pay attention to the road” warning every time I engage FSD. Maybe it’s because I’m looking at the nav route briefly?

On the recent release that implemented "recall" attention items, I suddenly got two levels of warnings on most engagements. I think I finally found a reasonably successful avoidance method: be sure I am actively turning the wheel at the moment I engage.

Not, by much mind you, or you'll exceed breakout force and get an immediate disengagement.

When successful, this technique gets me the initial lower screen small warning that you have to pay attention, but avoids the second and third, as to which the second is high in the screen and includes a touch of red, and the third is the blue horizon thing.

Twiglett · Jan 31, 2024

Making the assumption that if a subscription FSD person is suspended, then they don’t have to keep paying ?

MP3Mike · Jan 31, 2024

Twiglett said:
Making the assumption that if a subscription FSD person is suspended, then they don’t have to keep paying ?

No.

PACEMD · Jan 31, 2024

MP3Mike said:
Yes, FSDb has always had the suspension, while AP didn't until NHTSA made them add it as part of the recall.

Well, that sucks junk right up the nose. Getting suspended from AP is like staring into the abyss of the Baby Driver........

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