FSD Beta v11.x

The next big milestone for FSD is 11. It is a significant upgrade and fundamental changes to several parts of the FSD stack including totally new way to train the perception NN.

From AI day and Lex Fridman interview we have a good sense of what might be included.

- Object permanence both temporal and spatial
- Moving from “bag of points” to objects in NN
- Creating a 3D vector representation of the environment all in NN
- Planner optimization using NN / Monte Carlo Tree Search (MCTS)
- Change from processed images to “photon count” / raw image
- Change from single image perception to surround video
- Merging of city, highway and parking lot stacks a.k.a. Single Stack

Lex Fridman Interview of Elon. Starting with FSD related topics.

Here is a detailed explanation of Beta 11 in "layman's language" by James Douma, interview done after Lex Podcast.

Here is the AI Day explanation by in 4 parts.

Deep Understanding Tesla FSD Part 1: HydraNet

From Theory to Reality, Analyze the Evolution of Tesla Full Self-Driving

saneryee-studio.medium.com

Here is a useful blog post asking a few questions to Tesla about AI day. The useful part comes in comparison of Tesla's methods with Waymo and others (detailed papers linked).

Twelve Questions about Tesla Autopilot Technologies Exposed at 2021 AI Day

On Aug. 19 2021, Telsa held an AI day , exposing more technologies about Autopilot , from perception, planning, data labeling, simulation…

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[PACEMD]

So much for automation and efficiency if we need a security guard following each robot.

Just get a robot to follow the robots, and the backstreet boys too, also........

 

[Pdubs]

"I'm from Jersey"...........Oh yeah, which exit?

Yes but you’re out in Montana raising a crop of dental floss. You’re the exception.

 

[Hiline]

Phantom braking on the highway almost killed me last night - I had to floor my Model Y to avoid being rear-ended by a car that scrambled to brake. There was no car speeding or slowing down next to mine, so the braking flabbergasted me. I was very confident about V11 until this incident.

 

[LowlyOilBurner]

Phantom braking on the highway almost killed me last night - I had to floor my Model Y to avoid being rear-ended by a car that scrambled to brake. There was no car speeding or slowing down next to mine, so the braking flabbergasted me. I was very confident about V11 until this incident.

How bad of a slowdown? I had a phantom slowdown this morning on the highway, no one was behind me, speed dropped from 72 to 66 quick.

The slowing down to 7-8mph while making certain turns has to go. This is worse on 11.4.9 than previous builds. Previous builds I knew what turns this would happen on, so at least I could anticipate it. It does it too often now. And the slow downs for other vehicles that pose no “threat” in adjacent lanes, or across the street has to go as well.

 

[Hiline]

How bad of a slowdown? I had a phantom slowdown this morning on the highway, no one was behind me, speed dropped from 72 to 66 quick.

The slowing down to 7-8mph while making certain turns has to go. This is worse on 11.4.9 than previous builds. Previous builds I knew what turns this would happen on, so at least I could anticipate it. It does it too often now. And the slow downs for other vehicles that pose no “threat” in adjacent lanes, or across the street has to go as well.

I didn't have time to check the speed before and after but it felt like a jolt. Then I saw through the rearview mirror the car behind me approaching fast, freaked out, and slammed the accelerator as hard as I ever could. If I had taken the time to look at the odometer I might not be here typing this today. I did save the dashcam recording once I collected myself, and will be reviewing what the heck happened when I have a minute.

 

[PACEMD]

Yes but you’re out in Montana raising a crop of dental floss. You’re the exception.

I may be totally wrong, but I'm a fool!

One of my legs is shorter than the other and both my feet's too long.......

 

[old pilot]

Tesla Employee Who Loved Elon Musk Reportedly Killed by Full Self-Driving

Former Tesla employee and fan of CEO Elon Musk Hans von Ohain was killed after his Model 3 crashed into a tree and erupted in flames back in 2022. According to his friend and fellow passenger Erik Rossiter, who survived the collision, has since told The Washington Post that von Ohain had the...

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[Yelobird]

Tesla Employee Who Loved Elon Musk Reportedly Killed by Full Self-Driving

Former Tesla employee and fan of CEO Elon Musk Hans von Ohain was killed after his Model 3 crashed into a tree and erupted in flames back in 2022. According to his friend and fellow passenger Erik Rossiter, who survived the collision, has since told The Washington Post that von Ohain had the...

currently.att.yahoo.com

2 years ago and drunk 3X over the limit Should be the headline.

 

[Knightshade]

Tesla Employee Who Loved Elon Musk Reportedly Killed by Full Self-Driving

Former Tesla employee and fan of CEO Elon Musk Hans von Ohain was killed after his Model 3 crashed into a tree and erupted in flames back in 2022. According to his friend and fellow passenger Erik Rossiter, who survived the collision, has since told The Washington Post that von Ohain had the...

currently.att.yahoo.com

https://twitter.com/x/status/1757652781010497798

 

[MP3Mike]

Tesla Employee Who Loved Elon Musk Reportedly Killed by Full Self-Driving

Former Tesla employee and fan of CEO Elon Musk Hans von Ohain was killed after his Model 3 crashed into a tree and erupted in flames back in 2022. According to his friend and fellow passenger Erik Rossiter, who survived the collision, has since told The Washington Post that von Ohain had the...

currently.att.yahoo.com

More detail, it is only included in the NHTSA report because someone submitted a claim that ADAS was in use. Tesla couldn't verify it because the data hadn't been uploaded to Tesla's servers and was not recoverable. (The only two people that could know if ADAS was active were the two people in the vehicle, both of which were very drunk, and only one survived. And the survivor couldn't really remember anything, and wasn't the driver.)

https://twitter.com/x/status/1757761346773422303

So it sounds like anyone can submit one of these reports for any collision and force the OEM to include it in the report showing ADAS was active. It just goes to show that that NHTSA data/reporting is completely worthless.

 

[DrGriz]

Interesting that the wife said that he had FSD and used it often. Musk said that it was never downloaded. What to believe?

 

[AlanSubie4Life]

Interesting that the wife said that he had FSD and used it often. Musk said that it was never downloaded. What to believe?

There is a thread for this. It is all fairly straightforward. Had FSD, but did not have FSD Beta since that was very limited.

Safety Score system may be to blame! (Immediate wide release would have prevented inappropriate AP use.)

 

[DrGriz]

Thanks. Regardless, I meant to say, he was drunk.

 

[TK211X]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1757652781010497798

Unfortunately, FSDV12 hasn’t been downloaded yet to my car…. What if something happens!?

 

[Knightshade]

Unfortunately, FSDV12 hasn’t been downloaded yet to my car…. What if something happens!?

Then, just like after V12 downloads, it'll be your fault as the driver of the vehicle (or I suppose the fault of another driver of another vehicle depending on the circumstances)

FSD is a driver assist software, it's not a driver.

 

[Dewg]

Impressive the amount of "conclusions" and factual statements are being made in the complete absence of confirmable facts in this case. Can anyone please let us know the actual facts of this case? Not hearsay, not speculation - facts.

 

[JulienW]

Impressive the amount of "conclusions" and factual statements are being made in the complete absence of confirmable facts in this case. Can anyone please let us know the actual facts of this case? Not hearsay, not speculation - facts.

FACT: It wasn't related to FSD Beta 11.x.

 

[mgs333]

I got excited for a new update available on my phone only to see it's 2023.44.30.14 for the icon size recall. But they do seem to be holding back the testers from 2024.xx branch until v12 launches.

 

[Supcom]

I got excited for a new update available on my phone only to see it's 2023.44.30.14 for the icon size recall. But they do seem to be holding back the testers from 2024.xx branch until v12 launches.

If they weren't, we would be getting 2024.2.3.

 

[scottf200]

I got excited for a new update available on my phone only to see it's 2023.44.30.14 for the icon size recall. But they do seem to be holding back the testers from 2024.xx branch until v12 launches.

If they weren't, we would be getting 2024.2.3.

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