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Mine is throttled after one roundtrip from Chicago to Colorado and one from Chicago to Michigan. I charge at home, otherwise. Seems that basically if you supercharge more than a couple of times with the 90, you get hit. Hucksterism at its finest, Tesla.tl;dr version:
90 battery = bad
Mine is throttled after one roundtrip from Chicago to Colorado and one from Chicago to Michigan. I charge at home, otherwise. Seems that basically if you supercharge more than a couple of times with the 90, you get hit. Hucksterism at its finest, Tesla.
Sweet. You're still getting max rate? Must be nice.I drove from Dallas to Philadelphia and back in summer 2017 supercharging the whole way. We have a 90D since December 2016 and we're still not limited. We have >21,000 miles.
Mine is throttled after one roundtrip from Chicago to Colorado and one from Chicago to Michigan. I charge at home, otherwise. Seems that basically if you supercharge more than a couple of times with the 90, you get hit. Hucksterism at its finest, Tesla.
I would recommend staying away from the 90 battery if a friend were looking at a CPO.
ROTFL... check out the new Leaf, it throttles after the third DC charge!I don’t think you can make that generalization as it depends on the battery cells. The Nissan Leaf, for example, charges closer to 2C and there haven’t been any reports of throttling AFAIK.
That might be a little harsh. If you don't supercharge much, the 90 is as solid as any other battery out there. Honestly the time difference isn't that much for supercharging either.
If you only supercharge, (or CHAdeMO), then the 90 series wouldn't be my first choice.
The actual curves from the Better Routeplanner data show the 90 pack with more area under the curve than the 85s. I do not care about the peak as much as the total charge rate, which still seems equal or better than the 85 pack. The curves were linked in this thread a while back, go take a look at them.
That is inaccurate for my old Sig X P90D. I had 35K miles on it or so and did many roadtrips from IL - to MT twice, To NC 2+ times, To KY 3+ times. I was not throttled as far as I could tell.Mine is throttled after one roundtrip from Chicago to Colorado and one from Chicago to Michigan. I charge at home, otherwise. Seems that basically if you supercharge more than a couple of times with the 90, you get hit. Hucksterism at its finest, Tesla.
After 4 years mine is 25% slower than it was when new.
I will go ahead and be the guinea pig thenAgain I am sure the 100KWh Pack will throttle also. We just don't have enough evidence to be wide spread yet like the 90KWh pack. All in all, I just hope down the road Tesla will offer a pack upgrade for a reasonable price so I can get my full charging speed back.
Over 4 years too with an 85. I've noticed a slowing but 25% seems too high -- but I've never done the math since I never kept stats. It just seems we were slowed down last year. I also find I have to change superchargers to get a better rate and I never had that issue in the first 3 or so years.
It is happening gradually so it's hard to notice. The initial peac charge rate doesn't change so, you plug in, see the high number and think everything is fine. Almost on one was keeping exact track of how fast the car was charging back then. I found some old data and spent some time finding data from other cars as well so I was able to eliminate the noise. The longer charge time comes two fold. One is just the faster/earlier tapering. The other part is the degradation of the battery. When it was new you had to charge to say 80% to get 200 miles, Now you have to charge to 88% to get 200 miles of range. So now you are charging longer at a higher state of charge which is slow. Both aspects combined add up to about 25% longer charge time.
Age of the car is only one aspect, My car has 155k miles. Yours probably has less miles so the effect will be less on yours than mine.
I suspect most of that, in your case, is the degradation as you mention. Looking at your most recent taper curves, I actually believe it charges very similar to mine with only about 50 K on the battery odo. I don’t think that the taper curve is related to battery age, rather Tesla changed it in some firmware.