It's about 2 weeks to the Midwest/south and 3 weeks to east coast.
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It's about 2 weeks to the Midwest/south and 3 weeks to east coast.
BrandonLive
MS LR (refresh) Blue/Black/21s/FSD
Hayseed_MS
Spreader of "Endless Non Sequitur"
The monkey was just waiting for you to post before...
(more proof he is not blindfolded)
This. 0-60 is nice, but for me the benefit is when passing or getting out of sticky situations like someone blindly merging into your lane
FSD is transferrable with the car if it is sold via private transaction. If it goes through a dealer, Tesla has been stripping the FSD out--this causes all sorts of confusion and muddies trade-in pricing. You cannot take it with you if you purchase a new Tesla.
You continue to be under appreciated on this thread
I think there is a qualitative aspect to driver-assist, its not a commodity check box item where all implementations are essentially equivalent
I guess it depends on if you view FSD as an "app" or part of the operating system. In your example, Nintendo does charge you for a new license for their OS (it's hidden in the cost of the Switch) the same way you implicitly pay for a new Android or iOS license when you buy a new smartphone. What folks are asking for, a perpetual, transferrable license, would be priced even higher than it currently is. Software licensing is well understood science and there is some reasonable middle ground, if Tesla decides to take a different approach.
Oh and it’s rumoured to be $14K soon. Good times! This business model sucks for customers and is so downright filthy.
If you are a cash customer, it is a reasonable expectation, and, during the last couple of days of the qtr, I would imagine that comes into play as they match VINs to orders.
NOLA21SGuy
Member
I don't understand their business model. If the trade in information posted earlier is accurate, EAP is more valuable than FSD. To me that makes sense. I am willing to buy EAP. I am not willing to buy an unfinished version of FSD. At $10,000 for the entire package, I am not an interested buyer. At $4,000 or less for EAP only, I am an interested buyer. They must have realized that pricing EAP + FSD together at $10,000 brought in fewer total sales than selling them separately. The total FSD sales will go down a little when they split, but total income will still go up due to people like me who are unwilling to spend a premium for an unfinished product. After all, many of us will sell the car to upgrade well before FSD is completed.
boonedocks
MS LR Blk/Blk 19”
FSD stays with the car, unless the car is traded back to Tesla. Tesla has been known to remove FSD in the cars they auction to used Tesla dealers.This. 0-60 is nice, but for me the benefit is when passing or getting out of sticky situations like someone blindly merging into your lane
FSD is transferrable with the car if it is sold via private transaction. If it goes through a dealer, Tesla has been stripping the FSD out--this causes all sorts of confusion and muddies trade-in pricing. You cannot take it with you if you purchase a new Tesla.
You continue to be under appreciated on this thread
I think there is a qualitative aspect to driver-assist, its not a commodity check box item where all implementations are essentially equivalent
I guess it depends on if you view FSD as an "app" or part of the operating system. In your example, Nintendo does charge you for a new license for their OS (it's hidden in the cost of the Switch) the same way you implicitly pay for a new Android or iOS license when you buy a new smartphone. What folks are asking for, a perpetual, transferrable license, would be priced even higher than it currently is. Software licensing is well understood science and there is some reasonable middle ground, if Tesla decides to take a different approach.
Anyone else confused about what's going on with AutoPilot? Frankly, I'm happy to have redundant hardware for radar installed, even if in time it's disabled. What I'm puzzled by is that it wasn't that long ago that those involved with development of AP indicated that Musk was off the mark in terms of how soon FSD would be truly viable for Level 4 or 5. Has something significant changed or is this as I suspect a touch bit of overselling Vision?
Blue Stuff
Member
And then there is the Microsoft Windows license model. They have low cost OEM versions tied to the system board that can not be transferred. They also have a higher priced retail version that you can transfer to a new machine.
I think Tesla does a lot of scummy things, but I don't see any problem with what they do with FSD. Their website makes clear that it doesn't actually exist. You can look on Youtube to see videos establishing that the Beta version is useless. If folks want to pay $10k for the chance that FSD might one day be useful because they are true Elon believers, that is their right.
The complaints that you have to buy it again when you buy a new car don't have merit. Tesla could have just raised the price of the car $10k and given everyone FSD "privileges." Nobody, in that case, would complain that they should get a discount when they buy a new car. It would be like arguing to Apple that I should get a discount on my next iPhone because I already bought iTunes. Instead, Tesla did everyone a favor by making a useless feature optional.
AnselmDante
Porn Stunt Double
That is a valid point. But what if Apple charged you $100 to access iTunes and your phone broke. Would it be fair to pay $100 to access it again?
boonedocks
MS LR Blk/Blk 19”
Confirmed. Screen does NOT tilt but "source" says it absolutely does not affect the user experience for the driver or passenger!!
A little but I’m more confused about the new plaid orders with ‘June’ estimated delivery while many existing plaid orders from 2-3 months ago are ‘August.’
josahua
Member
Some banks actually cut a check and you just write the VIN on the check. Pen Fed for example.
I have a theory - the June delivery dates for new orders are bull "sugar"
boonedocks
MS LR Blk/Blk 19”
Final Yoke feels / works amazing!!! LR also gets metal pedals.
EVonly
Member
This is not really a valid comparison. Apple doesn't charge for iTunes, so you obviously can't get a discount on a future phone purchase for a software feature you never paid for. That would be like asking for a discount on your future Tesla because your current Tesla has the Netflix app.
I believe the valid comparison is an expensive App that you pay for or a software program for your computer. In either case, if my phone or computer gets stolen or damaged, I don't need to buy the software again. I just reinstall the software I already paid for.
How can a software license get damaged in an accident? This is inexplicable! The license should be reinstated for a total loss accident.
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